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#10758 9-Dec-2006 10:47
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From 1 April 2007 Australia will join their UK and US flying authorities counterparts and ban certain liquids on board air planes, while limiting the amount of other types and requiring people to have those in a separate plastic bag.

Although transport officials believe the Australian regulations will mirror those imposed by the European Union some weeks ago, those apply only to passengers flying to Europe and then making connections to other overseas destinations such as the United States. Australian Transport Minister Mark Vaile said yesterday all international travellers to and from Australia after March 31 with any liquids, aerosols or gels would have to carry them in containers no bigger than 100ml. These would in turn have to be held by each passenger in a one-litre clear plastic bag to be screened independently of other hand luggage, although new regulations would not apply to liquids in checked-in cases carried in aircraft holds.


Oh, oh... Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. I have the impression it was demonstrated before that the amount of liquid those guys were planning to carry wouldn't even be enough to start what they wanted to do, and I quote this piece:


We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane.


It's been claimed that the 7/7 bombers used it, but this has not been positively confirmed. Some sources claim that they used C-4, and others that they used RDX. Nevertheless, the belief that they used TATP has stuck with the media, although going about in a crowded city at rush hour with an unstable homebrew explosive in a backpack is not the brightest of all possible moves. It's surprising that none of the attackers enjoyed an unscheduled launch into Paradise.


We asked University of Rhode Island Chemistry Professor Jimmie C. Oxley, who has actual, practical experience with TATP, if this is a reasonable assumption, and she tolds us that merely dumping the precursors together would create "a violent reaction," but not a detonation.


So the fabled binary liquid explosive - that is, the sudden mixing of hydrogen peroxide and acetone with sulfuric acid to create a plane-killing explosion, is out of the question. Meanwhile, making TATP ahead of time carries a risk that the mission will fail due to premature detonation, although it is the only plausible approach.

We've given extraordinary credit to a collection of jihadist wannabes with an exceptionally poor grasp of the mechanics of attacking a plane, whose only hope of success would have been a pure accident. They would have had to succeed in spite of their own ignorance and incompetence, and in spite of being under police surveillance for a year.



See the red bold part?

We don't need long queues in the departure lounge. We need better intelligence, better action.

So, c'mon... They won the war by making everyone's life a pain while travelling. What's next? Naked people, standing up in packed airplines for twelve hours?

Let people get on with their lives.









 

 

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  #55093 9-Dec-2006 11:55
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Duty free will be exempt no doubt :-)

So what do I do with my contact lenses? Store them in spit?





 

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  #55094 9-Dec-2006 12:08
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We'll be flying in orange jumpsuits soon, chained to the seats...




 
 
 
 


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  #55099 9-Dec-2006 12:54
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Seriously at this point you have to ask... have the terrorists already won? They have forced us to change our way of life. That is what they want. Maybe we don't see as much of it here in New Zealand but we still feel the effects of tough new anti-terrorism measures.

So many freedoms and things people took for granted have been lost in the name of security. Civil liberities, the right to a trial, the right to privacy etc etc. But does anyone actually feel safer? Democracy is under threat not just from the terrorists but from governemnts also.

The USA has long called itself the defender of democracy and freedom, but when you do not afford the same rights and ideals you uphold to your enemies then you are no long practicing those values you preach and try to spread at the tip of a sword. It is in fact the start of the slide to despotism and many other evils.

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  #55100 9-Dec-2006 12:57
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Yep... now we're all treated as terrorists.




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I get the feeling that governments actually like things like 9/11 happening, as it gives them an excuse to broaden their own powers and thus secure their own survival. Over zealous border control means more control over what their citizens can/can't do.
I've never thought of myself as a "conspiracy theorist", but these days I do have to wonder. Has anyone renewed their passport recently? What a nightmare compared to how it was just a few years ago.

Ahh well, maybe I'm just waffling on Surprised

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  #55124 9-Dec-2006 21:04
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TinyTim: Duty free will be exempt no doubt :-)



So what do I do with my contact lenses? Store them in spit?





Your Duty Free Vodka. Just be careful as they do sting a little bit afterwards when you try and put them in your eyes!


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  #55130 10-Dec-2006 05:45
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this will effect where I choose to holiday or the route I take to get to a destination. Its already a hassle to have a 3 hour check in to take a three hour flight to eastern Australia from NZ




that would be an ecumenical matter

 
 
 
 


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sbiddle: 
Your Duty Free Vodka. Just be careful as they do sting a little bit afterwards when you try and put them in your eyes!



Eyeball Paul!!!!!!!!

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  #55259 11-Dec-2006 21:46
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sarg: this will effect where I choose to holiday or the route I take to get to a destination. Its already a hassle to have a 3 hour check in to take a three hour flight to eastern Australia from NZ


It's pretty cruisy from Wellington still for Aussie flights. I normally only turn up around 5am for checkin for the 6am flights and have no problems at all - you avoid all the people who get there early so there are no queues and you're by no means the last people!




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