PPNZ vs APRA

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#119217 24-May-2013 16:47

We play music in the cafe. For the last three years, I've been paying a licence fee to PPNZ.

Just received a letter from APRA also asking for licence fees. Surely I only need one of these organisations?

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#824868 24-May-2013 17:03

nope you've always needed the 2 they each represent different artists - radio stations also pay these 2 + amcos - you don't need to pay amcos unless your reproducing musical works.

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#824876 24-May-2013 17:19

You also need to pay AJOBBINS licence fees. I'll make sure you get an invoice for those too.

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#824892 24-May-2013 17:35

See: http://www.retail.org.nz/musicinstores.html

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#824896 24-May-2013 17:46

So you give artists free marketing in your cafe/shop and you have to pay them???

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#824900 24-May-2013 17:53

Don't you just love record companies?

Many moons ago, I had to deal with this for jukeboxes... The company had to pay fees to put the songs on them, then the lessee of the jukebox had to pay the PPL.

Talk about double-dipping!

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#824926 24-May-2013 19:04

Apparently there's no licence fee required if you just play the radio, as opposed to recordings. Don't quote me on that one though!

Edit: According to the PPNZ site you indeed do not need a PPNZ licence when you're playing free-to-air radio. However, it seems that APRA still wants its cut.

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#824928 24-May-2013 19:05

Behodar: Apparently there's no licence fee required if you just play the radio, as opposed to recordings. Don't quote me on that one though!

oops, quoted you

But, yes, yes there is.

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#824935 24-May-2013 19:18

I bet that they don't do any sort of checks to see what music you're playing. Imagine a shop that purely plays freely-licensed stuff (there are Creative Commons songs out there, for example). I expect that they'd still get a licence demand!

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#824936 24-May-2013 19:22

Behodar: I bet that they don't do any sort of checks to see what music you're playing. Imagine a shop that purely plays freely-licensed stuff (there are Creative Commons songs out there, for example). I expect that they'd still get a licence demand!

More than likely.

You have no idea of the names I can come up for them.... ;-p

PPNZ lost a court case to a "pirate" once... I can't say any more.
They're just another arm (bureaucracy) of the record companies, so the artist actually gets sweet FA.

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#824956 24-May-2013 20:00

If you make a deal with the artists directly to have them play live, these companies still come along and demand a fee or will threaten legal action even when they aren't entitled by any means (starting with an injunction to force you to settle).

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#824960 24-May-2013 20:12

I heard on the radio that apparently these record companies are making more money now, than they did before music started being pirated. Perhaps time to play opensource music without licensing fees. Not sure about classical music which is out of copyright. But perhaps midi files. This is often why call centre music and elevator music is pretty poor sounding.
I was aware you had to pay two different organizations, recall it being on fairgo many years ago, and I believe it also applies if you are just playing music of the radio too.