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Topic # 190865 14-Jan-2016 18:13
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I've been buying 2XL shirts for 20 years. 

I am the same size I was 20 years ago. Maybe slightly smaller. 

The last few years I've noticed the sizings have been steadily shrinking. A 2XL from Hallensteins or Country Road is barely an XL from 5 years ago. In particular, the trunks are narrower and the arms are also thinner / narrower.  I went to the Warehouse last week and bought a few 3XL shirts for $25 each. They are actually smaller than the 2XL shirts I have from 5 years ago.  I have some theories about what's going on. 

Retailer are pushing suppliers for sharp pricing. The suppliers put in bids that look great on paper. But when they actually make the stuff, the stitch on a "3XL" label to a shirt that has been cut to a slightly smaller dimension to save fabric...and provide some room for profit on lower materials costs.  That most stores seem to have gone this way is a shame. Even Rodd & Gunn - where they will happy charge you $170 for a cotton shirt that worth $30 - sell shirts that no longer fit. 

I have been mail ordering shirts from a Canadian supplier (marks.com) who have withstood the shrinking tide. Unfortunately, they were recently bought by a chain called "Canadian Tire" who are experts at turning good businesses into bad ones. MYl last order was refused by marks.com as they now no longer ship outside Canada. Yep....Canadian Tire is now firmly in control. 

Looks like I will have to buy 4XL shirts to get what used to be a 2XL......but even then the sleeves can still be pencil thin. 

Anyone know where Ma'a Nonu buys his shirts? A guy with arms like that won't be able to buy clothes at 95% of Kiwi clothing retailers.  Then there is the shoe problem. I take a US14 (basically a UK 13 1/2). No one in NZ stocks them as a boot. I can get shoes and trainers OK.

When I try to order boots from overseas, they generally (Timberland, Marks, etc...) don't ship internationally. I could use YouShop....if I had a month.    No wonder all the big buys wear jandals. They can't get anything else that fits.




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  Reply # 1471218 14-Jan-2016 18:17
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try Farmers, i buy the T Bone range and they are true XL sizes from 3 to 6 xl and they not only fit the chest and arm area but they are also long.

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  Reply # 1471223 14-Jan-2016 18:27
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The sizes are not a standard they are indicative only.




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  Reply # 1471308 14-Jan-2016 20:21
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Then there is the shoe problem. I take a US14 (basically a UK 13 1/2). No one in NZ stocks them as a boot.

I'd be surprised if one of the safety wear chains did not have those sizes.

Shirts? Nonu is on twitter so ask him : ).

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I would expect The Warehouse to provide and verify exact size specifications to their suppliers on many lines. Could be that letter size expectations are changing worldwide and averaging down a bit.

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I have long since given up on the number on the tag. Variations are infinite across the brands, even within the same brand. Use as a starting indication for trying on and that's about it. I have shirts that range from M to XXL and they all fit the same.




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freitasm: Are you sure these aren't "slim fit" and other "styles"?



Yes. I check for that sort of thing. Trap for young players. :-)  






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MikeB4: The sizes are not a standard they are indicative only.


They have become ever more "indicative". 




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gzt: I would expect The Warehouse to provide and verify exact size specifications to their suppliers on many lines. Could be that letter size expectations are changing worldwide and averaging down a bit.


How odd...just as more and more people need larger sizes. Kiwis are now among the most obese of developed countries. 




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scuwp: I have long since given up on the number on the tag. Variations are infinite across the brands, even within the same brand. Use as a starting indication for trying on and that's about it. I have shirts that range from M to XXL and they all fit the same.


That's pretty much exactly what I mean. 

Maybe I have a distorted idea due to buying clothes for years from a small number of vendors....and didn't notice the wider range of variation until my own small group changed the products? (Speculation)   




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MikeB4: The sizes are not a standard they are indicative only.


They have become ever more "indicative". 


My wife brought some Polo shirts in China on one of her trips, she knew the sizes there are smaller so got 2xl, I am usually large but 2xl was more like extra small men's.




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  Reply # 1471408 14-Jan-2016 22:09
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I have several shirts bought from agricultural suppliers like PGG etc.

I do in fact have several examples, with the same maker's label and size labels, that are in fact completely different sizes....





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They are not a standard, each manufacturer has their own table of actual measurements to "size" of the garment.

At least its not like shoes where there are so many very similar numbering standards and noone can tell exactly what the shoes on the shelf are in. Warehouse seem to think their numbers are UK if you ask them, but really most are US.

If only there was an accepted standard method of measuring things that used the exact same scale for everything that could be applied to clothing. Oh thats right, people dont like the big numbers to lets make up smaller ones at arbitrary steps across the range.




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richms: They are not a standard, each manufacturer has their own table of actual measurements to "size" of the garment.

At least its not like shoes where there are so many very similar numbering standards and noone can tell exactly what the shoes on the shelf are in. Warehouse seem to think their numbers are UK if you ask them, but really most are US.

If only there was an accepted standard method of measuring things that used the exact same scale for everything that could be applied to clothing. Oh thats right, people dont like the big numbers to lets make up smaller ones at arbitrary steps across the range.


Standardisation would save a lot of time in many areas of life around the world.

For example, why do we have so many emergency services numbers? NZ does not even have the same one as Australia.

A single number, worldwide, would make much more sense.

The ones I feel sorry for are American scientists. Science is wholly metric and so they fully live in a metric world - until they want petrol, milk, plywood, a house design etc etc. Hard to believe that there are only two countries in the world not officially metric. (The UK is officially metric under EU law but has dispensation to use miles and pints etc but in every case except miles and beer the metric equivalent is usually stated)





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  Reply # 1471425 14-Jan-2016 22:33
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For example, why do we have so many emergency services numbers? NZ does not even have the same one as Australia.


There is. 112. About 20 year now. Not sure why they still promote the other ones instead.


A single number, worldwide, would make much more sense.

The ones I feel sorry for are American scientists. Science is wholly metric and so they fully live in a metric world - until they want petrol, milk, plywood, a house design etc etc. Hard to believe that there are only two countries in the world not officially metric. (The UK is officially metric under EU law but has dispensation to use miles and pints etc but in every case except miles and beer the metric equivalent is usually stated)


Feet and inches are fine to work in, and in many ways for hand made furniture and building are better units, particually with sheet materials and building systems being based on them. Inches are great for TVs since its a unit people are familiar with.

If you have always worked in them for that purpose noone really thinks twice about the unit. Many of them just become standards, like a 12" subwoofer or wheels etc, if you were to metricize them then you would have a bad time, like whatever that car company was in the 80s that made a car noone could get tires for its stock wheels for.




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