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Topic # 198608 15-Jul-2016 20:10
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My thoughts are again with the French. We really are so lucky living here in lil ol NZ


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  Reply # 1593378 15-Jul-2016 20:33
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Yes, it is such a tragic shame. Even more poignant for us as we visited Nice a few years ago and would have been at the very place.


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  Reply # 1593381 15-Jul-2016 20:37
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Yes terrible news.

 

But let’s also not forget to spare a thought for all the suffering innocent civilians in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and the many others who are victims of terrorism.





Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important. (T.S. Eliot)


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  Reply # 1593386 15-Jul-2016 21:10
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Another cowardly attack on "innocents". It's just inconceivable to me that people have such little regard for human life as to behave this way. 


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  Reply # 1593388 15-Jul-2016 21:20
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These attacks appeared to be every few years. They are now every few weeks it seems. Its a sad time indeed.


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  Reply # 1593396 15-Jul-2016 21:41
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tdgeek:

 

These attacks appeared to be every few years. They are now every few weeks it seems. Its a sad time indeed.

 

 

 

 

I doubt it will be stopping any time soon. No doubt the French are delighted by Mrs Merkel telling all and sundry to come on into the EU.

 

When the group that drives a lot of this has this to say for itself, then frankly reasoned argument is no longer an effective strategy:

 

"According to German journalist Jürgen Todenhöfer, who spent ten days embedded with ISIL in Mosul, the view he kept hearing was that ISIL wants to "conquer the world", and that all who do not believe in the group's interpretation of the Koran will be killed."






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  Reply # 1593399 15-Jul-2016 21:46
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

 I doubt it will be stopping any time soon. No doubt the French are delighted by Mrs Merkel telling all and sundry to come on into the EU.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh please quit with this kind of rhetoric. Where's your evidence that these attacks had anything to do with the "all and sundry"?

 

 

 

 


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Christ, I can imagine all the copy cat nut bars who'd love to repeat this somewhere else. You don't even need any explosives, just a big truck.


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  Reply # 1593409 15-Jul-2016 22:21
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

 I doubt it will be stopping any time soon. No doubt the French are delighted by Mrs Merkel telling all and sundry to come on into the EU.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh please quit with this kind of rhetoric. Where's your evidence that these attacks had anything to do with the "all and sundry"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is ample and widely reported evidence that terrorists used the influx of refugees as cover. As was blindingly obvious to anyone, to be honest. Whether THIS attack is their responsibility or that of their fellow travellers is somewhat academic.

 

 

 

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel has admitted that some terrorists entered Europe among the wave of migrants that fled from Syria adding that the refugee flow was used in part to “smuggle terrorists” on to the continent.

Speaking to supporters of her Christian Democrat Union party in eastern Germany, Merkel admitted that militant groups had smuggled jihadists among those genuinely looking to seek asylum in Europe.

 

"In part, the refugee flow was even used to smuggle terrorists," she said, as cited by Reuters.

 

Merkel’s open-door policy, which was criticized by a significant section of the German population, saw more than 1 million migrants arrive in Germany in 2015, with a number of those originating from Syria."






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  Reply # 1593412 15-Jul-2016 22:30
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Christ, I can imagine all the copy cat nut bars who'd love to repeat this somewhere else. You don't even need any explosives, just a big truck.

 

 

 

 

It's been discussed at every anti-terror briefing I ever attended. Personally I am surprised it has not really happened before.

 

 

 

When I first worked in Wellington I was at a meeting with the relevant agencies and police, government etc and pointed out that the (at the time) very 'she'll be right' sort of way that many security issues were being dealt with would eventually lead to a terrorist group exploiting them if the US and EU made life too hard, they would look round the world for a 'Western' nation where it was easier.

 

Sadly, world events have conspired to cause significant improvement and modernisation here so that is less likely - although probably still a lot easier. I for example have caught domestic flights within the last 2 years where my carry on was not screened in any way at all.






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  Reply # 1593414 15-Jul-2016 22:39
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

 I doubt it will be stopping any time soon. No doubt the French are delighted by Mrs Merkel telling all and sundry to come on into the EU.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh please quit with this kind of rhetoric. Where's your evidence that these attacks had anything to do with the "all and sundry"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Terrorists are using the migration crisis to enter Europe and plot atrocities across the continent, the European Union’s own border agency has admitted.

 

In a report which lays bare the concerns about the EU’s porous borders, Frontex conceded that it does not know the true number of migrants who have crossed into the continent and has no way of tracking them.

 

Frontex said that EU member states had reported a record 1.82 million illegal border crossings last year, six times higher than the previous record set in 2014.

 

David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn unite to condemn Brussels terror attacksPlay! 01:35
However, it admitted that the number of illegal crossings is an underestimation because so many migrants have “continued their journey without being detected”.

 

It warned that a “staggering number” of EU citizens have travelled to Syria to fight with Isil and that they are now posing as refugees to gain entry to Europe.

 

The border agency’s shock admission will increase fears that the EU is unable to track potential terrorists like those who committed the atrocities in Paris and Brussels."

 

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  Reply # 1593420 15-Jul-2016 23:02
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"Terrorists are using the migration crisis to enter Europe and plot atrocities across the continent, the European Union’s own border agency has admitted.

 

In a report which lays bare the concerns about the EU’s porous borders, Frontex conceded that it does not know the true number of migrants who have crossed into the continent and has no way of tracking them.

 

Frontex said that EU member states had reported a record 1.82 million illegal border crossings last year, six times higher than the previous record set in 2014.

 

David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn unite to condemn Brussels terror attacksPlay! 01:35
However, it admitted that the number of illegal crossings is an underestimation because so many migrants have “continued their journey without being detected”.

 

It warned that a “staggering number” of EU citizens have travelled to Syria to fight with Isil and that they are now posing as refugees to gain entry to Europe.

 

The border agency’s shock admission will increase fears that the EU is unable to track potential terrorists like those who committed the atrocities in Paris and Brussels."

 

Daily Telegraph

 

 

 

 

In the face of your own admission that you have no evidence that the so called "all and sundry"* had anything to do with this attack, you simply choose to repeat the same, well-known quotes reflecting the known challenges of addressing the world's collective need to do more for the refugees whilst being realistic about the connected security challenges. It's a nice deflection but it's not working. More importantly, even if the EU had porous borders, it is simply not morally responsible to just do nothing for the refugees.

 

But all this stuff is an aside. What's most troubling is that in a thread where everyone else have chosen to be quite respectful in the face of real, serious suffering and tragedy, you apparently see fit to inject your usual conclusory, anti-immigration rhetoric that only ever focuses on the problems created without regard for the serious, moral crises that such policies are designed to address.

 

 

 

* The fact that you would so dehumanise such a large number of people, many of whom undoubtedly genuinely escaping from real persecution or even threats to their very existence, is also rather telling.


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  Reply # 1593474 16-Jul-2016 10:32
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In the face of your own admission that you have no evidence that the so called "all and sundry"* had anything to do with this attack, you simply choose to repeat the same, well-known quotes reflecting the known challenges of addressing the world's collective need to do more for the refugees whilst being realistic about the connected security challenges. It's a nice deflection but it's not working. More importantly, even if the EU had porous borders, it is simply not morally responsible to just do nothing for the refugees.

 

But all this stuff is an aside. What's most troubling is that in a thread where everyone else have chosen to be quite respectful in the face of real, serious suffering and tragedy, you apparently see fit to inject your usual conclusory, anti-immigration rhetoric that only ever focuses on the problems created without regard for the serious, moral crises that such policies are designed to address.

 

* The fact that you would so dehumanise such a large number of people, many of whom undoubtedly genuinely escaping from real persecution or even threats to their very existence, is also rather telling.

 

 

I don't share any collective need to do anything about refugees personally. If they dislike what is happening in their own countries, I suggest that they deal with it rather than run away from it. This will mean some will get killed doing so, as per the French Revolution, American Civil War, English Civil War etc etc. 

 

It may not be a trendy view or popular with Virtue Signallers around the world, but it's a view that - in Europe at least - is certainly gaining in popularity.






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  Reply # 1593487 16-Jul-2016 10:45
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Haven't you dragged this thread off-topic enough already?

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  Reply # 1593490 16-Jul-2016 11:18
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Is there any evidence that the guy was a terrorist vrs any other fruitcake that decided to kill a lot of people.

As we are all getting our information from the media, which also mention he drank, ate pork, oogled his neighbors daughters, been fired from his job and beat his wife.

He hardly sounds like a pious Muslim making a stand against islamophobia .

More like a loser who wanted to go out in a blaze of ?glory like the anti abortionists and anti government types you see in the US.

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  Reply # 1593492 16-Jul-2016 11:28
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Well, how do you decide when someone is a "terrorist"?

 

Trying to kill as many people as you can like Mohammed here did ticks the box for me.


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