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Topic # 22040 14-May-2008 13:22
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will these red light cameras in auckland actually catch out people who run the yellow light(which is not illegal)?

example.

car is driving when light is green and light changes to yellow so driver goes through yellow light, but when they are half way through the intersection the light turns red, so they will be ticketed for this,which would be wrong.

is this how it will work?

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  Reply # 130857 14-May-2008 13:39
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Well really if you say you entered when green changed to yellow you should safetly make it through on the green really?
But if you're being cheaky and sneaking through when you really could of stopped then it'll be interesting to see if you get caught.







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  Reply # 130863 14-May-2008 13:54
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I do not see how that is possible to be honest.

Most of the time, if you enter the intersection when it is green, and it then changes to amber, it will NOT go red until you are well through it.

If you enter the intersection when it is already amber, and it changes red, and you could not have stopped safely, then I would say that you should be too far through the intersection for the camera to catch you.

Finally if you can stop safely, and you enter anyway and 'gun it' and it turns red. Firstly you are a moron and deserve to be caught, but again I doubt it would catch you.



I guess if will all come down to whether the camera is facing the front or rear of your car. Front facing then you should be able to make it, rear facing and it may well catch you.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 130908 14-May-2008 16:22
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richgamer: car is driving when light is green and light changes to yellow so driver goes through yellow light, but when they are half way through the intersection the light turns red, so they will be ticketed for this,which would be wrong.


Isn't the rule if your front tyres are over the line *before* the light goes red you are safe??




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  Reply # 130915 14-May-2008 16:44

Today Herald reports that there are only 2 red light cameras, with 10 possible locations.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10509953

Legally you shouldn't enter an intersection without a clear exit - which would mean that if its still Green how could you not clear it before it being Red.
Orange running is Aucklands dirty little secret so I think its a good thing to introduce the cameras. Although there have been reports of cities around the world shortening the time Oranges are displayed, which not only increases revenue but also eats the legitamacy of the cameras. I don't think it will be an issue here though.

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  Reply # 130917 14-May-2008 16:46
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LTSA:
  • A yellow signal means stop, unless you are so close to the intersection that you can't stop safely.
  • A yellow signal indicates that the lights will soon turn red.


Pretty straight forward, so yes your cars postition does come into it. But if it is safe to stop then you must. Also you cannot floor it through the light.

Anyway, this does not answer the question about red light cameras.

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  Reply # 130920 14-May-2008 16:55
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nate:

Isn't the rule if your front tyres are over the line *before* the light goes red you are safe??


That rule is "you are a dangerous idiot"

THe Rule for Yellow is

"a driver facing the signal must not enter the controlled area while the signal is displayed unless the driver's vehicle is, when the signal first appears, so close to the controlled area that it cannot safely be stopped before entering the area:"


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  Reply # 130992 14-May-2008 21:06
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Bung:
nate:

Isn't the rule if your front tyres are over the line *before* the light goes red you are safe??


That rule is "you are a dangerous idiot"



I think nate was trying to describe what would trigger the red ligth camera - not how one should drive....




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Reply # 131007 14-May-2008 21:48
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New redlight cameraI think the usual rules apply, if you are behind the detector loops on approach and the light goes orange: Stop unless you will put the thing into a skid and stop regardless if congested or you are goingin slower than 40KPH (easy to stop safely)

If you are over the loops you should generally be ok as long as there is a clear path out enabling you to do more than 40KPH.











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