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Topic # 239649 28-Jul-2018 09:41

Prison numbers are rising, always have been, what to do?

Simon Bridges article is interesting https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105577690/pushed-into-politics-by-crime-nat-leader-simon-bridges-is-the-sum-of-his-parts

While like many topics there is a political involvement, this thread is more about our ideas, not what either party will do.

My opinion is that there is a relationship between society and crime. If society creates more crime, more will be imprisoned. If we improved society less will be imprisoned. Easy to say, hard to do. Increasing sentences doesnt seem to stop crime. As Bridges said, if you reduce sentences to reduce prison numbers, you will get more crime as these people are free to act.

Set sentences that have a deterrent factor, if thats longer, lock them up for longer. Prison costs are a cost in a modern society. Also, work hard to help criminals refer, ONLY IF THEY GENUINELY WANT TO. Give a lot of support for this, but drop it like a rock if any criminal is playing with this tool.

Whatever my opinion created if implemented, just measures one cost of a modern society. Haves and have nots, temptation.

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Reply # 2063917 28-Jul-2018 09:47

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Stop jailing people for drug use.

Supply/manufacture is another thing, but being an addict?

Bring back the death penalty. Serial killers and child harmers are not curable.

Realise, that as the population increases so does the percentage of criminals.

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Reply # 2063920 28-Jul-2018 09:50

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Pedos get lead poisoning between the eye balls .22 quick and cheap

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Reply # 2063923 28-Jul-2018 09:54

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Build more prisons.

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Reply # 2063926 28-Jul-2018 09:56

Get the correction Minister to open his eyes and ears..the large prison that was planned and then halted was stupid. As our population grows of course our prison numbers will grow and our population has grown the last 10 years at a large rate and shows no sign of slowing despite promises.

NZers want criminals off our streets. It must be real tough being a victim of a crime...so to ask that they get put away for a respectable period is not to hard a task.

Our prisons by and large are ancient and we simply have not built prison cells at sufficient a rate to take into account of our growth.

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Reply # 2063928 28-Jul-2018 09:57

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Geektastic: Build more prisons.

So you want hard working tax payers to build more prisons to house more criminals?

I would rather spend the money on Police , Nurses , Teachers ETC..... not to house low lifes

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Reply # 2063935 28-Jul-2018 10:11

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Australia like deportation of non citizen criminals.

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Reply # 2063940 28-Jul-2018 10:32

Linux:

Geektastic: Build more prisons.

So you want hard working tax payers to build more prisons to house more criminals?

I would rather spend the money on Police , Nurses , Teachers ETC..... not to house low lifes

John

It was the only suggestion I could come up with and remain within FUGs...!

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Reply # 2063945 28-Jul-2018 10:43

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Linux:

Geektastic: Build more prisons.

So you want hard working tax payers to build more prisons to house more criminals?

I would rather spend the money on Police , Nurses , Teachers ETC..... not to house low lifes

John

Let them not go to jail and live in your neighborhood.

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Reply # 2063952 28-Jul-2018 10:56

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Geektastic: Build more prisons.

Yes, and make them hard labour, get some productivity from them.

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Reply # 2064032 28-Jul-2018 11:28

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I think the Martinborough area of the wairarapa would be an excellent location for a mega-prison.

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Reply # 2064034 28-Jul-2018 11:34

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BlinkyBill: I think the Martinborough area of the wairarapa would be an excellent location for a mega-prison.

I think a miserable, windswept island between here and Antarctica would be more appropriate. We already have rimutaka prison.

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Reply # 2064078 28-Jul-2018 12:51

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Pumpedd:

Get the correction Minister to open his eyes and ears..the large prison that was planned and then halted was stupid. As our population grows of course our prison numbers will grow and our population has grown the last 10 years at a large rate and shows no sign of slowing despite promises.

NZers want criminals off our streets. It must be real tough being a victim of a crime...so to ask that they get put away for a respectable period is not to hard a task.

Our prisons by and large are ancient and we simply have not built prison cells at sufficient a rate to take into account of our growth.

"Today our prison population is 220 per 100,000 people, compared to the OECD average of 147. In the last 2 years our prison population grew by 20%"

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/02-07-2018/the-side-eye-tough-on-crime-is-dead/

I don't think building a new prison every 2-3 years is the solution.

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Reply # 2064079 28-Jul-2018 12:55

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Death penalty for the worst and export any that are not citizens. I think Aussie have the second point correct, just wish we would do the same but we are namby pamby PC whimps.

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Reply # 2064086 28-Jul-2018 13:11

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i must be in the minority but locking up people for sake of making other people feel better is a waste of time and doesnt tackle the problem of rising crime,. Most crime is done buy the same people over and over again and locking them up again and again isnt working, you only have to look at Norway to see how it could be handled and the benefits to all society it provides , it will never happen here but it should .

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T

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Reply # 2064091 28-Jul-2018 13:26

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Better resourcing of the Police and courts. If someone who is considering a crime, thinks that they will never be caught. Long sentences or other punishments are not a deterrent to them. But if they think that there is a high chance that they will be caught. Then long sentences are a much bigger deterrent.

Save on costs by sub contracting prisoner housing to countries like China, Thailand, Brazil etc. But only do so for prisoners who have been caught, sentenced, released. And then caught again for the same serious crime.

If you have been convicted twice for separate instances of the same crime. The judge should have the ability to hand out much tougher sentences. And I would include the death penalty and sterilization as options as well.

Only making such sentences available for second time convictions is to avoid the possibility of someone getting the death penalty or sterilization who is actually innocent. As it would be extremely unlikely that you could be wrongly convicted twice for separate instances of the same crime.

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