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#243216 1-Dec-2018 14:20
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Just been fueling up at Z and the car ahead was getting gas & clearing their car of rubbish.  While the gas was being pumped by the guy, his partner & a young child were carefully putting rubbish into the three bins at the pump.  These were 'Landfill', 'Glass', and 'Plastic'.   I would love to know what actually happens to the clear plastic bags in these bins.  As these petrol stations barely have enough staff to pump gas, make coffees, restock shelves and drink cabinets, watch for drive-offs, etc I think it highly unlikely that these plastic bags actually finish up being sorted on site.  Back in the day Shell stations made no pretense of recycling there was just a rubbish bin at each pump and all the rubbish went into a skip behind the petrol station.  I think that it's highly possible that is what happens now at the Z stations!  I'm not picking on 'Z' I bet much the same happens at their competitors.

 

Christchurch City Council is just as bad if not worse.   If you go to either Jellie Park or Pioneer Stadium you'll see big green wheelie bins with yellow or red lids and it's a very lame attempt at 'green wash'.   All the black rubbish bags from those big wheelie bins go in the same orange waste management skip.  If you don't believe me  go to Jellie Park on a summer afternoon & watch what happens!   The process is in full view!   Cardboard is actually re-cycled properly with dedicated steel cages.

 

Although I no way of proving it I bet the same happens at Christchurch airport.  They have a two bin system there as well.

 

 

 

 


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  #2137793 1-Dec-2018 15:43
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i once saw a worker putting confidential shredding bin material into a giant rubbish collection trolley




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  #2137797 1-Dec-2018 16:41
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amiga500:

 

Just been fueling up at Z and the car ahead was getting gas & clearing their car of rubbish.  While the gas was being pumped by the guy, his partner & a young child were carefully putting rubbish into the three bins at the pump.  These were 'Landfill', 'Glass', and 'Plastic'.   I would love to know what actually happens to the clear plastic bags in these bins.  As these petrol stations barely have enough staff to pump gas, make coffees, restock shelves and drink cabinets, watch for drive-offs, etc I think it highly unlikely that these plastic bags actually finish up being sorted on site.  Back in the day Shell stations made no pretense of recycling there was just a rubbish bin at each pump and all the rubbish went into a skip behind the petrol station.  I think that it's highly possible that is what happens now at the Z stations!  I'm not picking on 'Z' I bet much the same happens at their competitors.

 

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Although I no way of proving it I bet the same happens at Christchurch airport.  They have a two bin system there as well.

 

 

Please don't make baseless aspersions against these organisations. Even if you do turn out to be correct, your attack is, at best a surmise - a nice way of saying a guess - because you present no evidence.

 

Your conjecture is that they have a multi-bin waste system so they are probably putting it into one bin. Instead you could have left an open question and waited for others to respond with actual evidence relating to these and other organisations.

 

 


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  #2137802 1-Dec-2018 17:22
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Hammerer:

 

amiga500:

 

Just been fueling up at Z and the car ahead was getting gas & clearing their car of rubbish.  While the gas was being pumped by the guy, his partner & a young child were carefully putting rubbish into the three bins at the pump.  These were 'Landfill', 'Glass', and 'Plastic'.   I would love to know what actually happens to the clear plastic bags in these bins.  As these petrol stations barely have enough staff to pump gas, make coffees, restock shelves and drink cabinets, watch for drive-offs, etc I think it highly unlikely that these plastic bags actually finish up being sorted on site.  Back in the day Shell stations made no pretense of recycling there was just a rubbish bin at each pump and all the rubbish went into a skip behind the petrol station.  I think that it's highly possible that is what happens now at the Z stations!  I'm not picking on 'Z' I bet much the same happens at their competitors.

 

...

 

Although I no way of proving it I bet the same happens at Christchurch airport.  They have a two bin system there as well.

 

 

Please don't make baseless aspersions against these organisations. Even if you do turn out to be correct, your attack is, at best a surmise - a nice way of saying a guess - because you present no evidence.

 

Your conjecture is that they have a multi-bin waste system so they are probably putting it into one bin. Instead you could have left an open question and waited for others to respond with actual evidence relating to these and other organisations.

 

 

 

 

In the case of the 'Z' station & the airport it's more of an assumption based on staff levels and core tasks.    As for the CCC facilities it's a statement of fact seen with my own eyes.




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  #2137834 1-Dec-2018 17:28
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amiga500:

 

In the case of the 'Z' station & the airport it's more of an assumption based on staff levels and core tasks.    As for the CCC facilities it's a statement of fact seen with my own eyes.

 

 

It would have been just an assumption but it became an aspersion when you named them here. Finding a problem with one part of the council doesn't make it applicable to other organisations.


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  #2137841 1-Dec-2018 17:49
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Hammerer:

 

amiga500:

 

In the case of the 'Z' station & the airport it's more of an assumption based on staff levels and core tasks.    As for the CCC facilities it's a statement of fact seen with my own eyes.

 

 

It would have been just an assumption but it became an aspersion when you named them here. Finding a problem with one part of the council doesn't make it applicable to other organisations.

 

 

Yes, maybe I should have just mentioned a large petrol station & not named the brand & perhaps not mentioned the airport.  However, I have a strong hunch that I am right.  Maybe the petrol station has 3 large skips out the back for glass, plastics, and general rubbbish, & it's all taken away by a big truck(s).  I wonder what happens to it next?   The recycling happening at the petrol station will be low quality with some customers putting the wrong stuff in the bins sometimes by accident or because they don't care.  The petrol station staff certainly won't have the time to go through each bag of rubbish checking - anyway it would be an OSH issue with needles etc.  That is why they use the clear plastic bags at Shell/Z.

 

Personally, I think it's highly likely that something similar to what McDonalds got caught doing around 20 years ago is happening right now.  As I said I am 100% certain about the two CCC Recreation and Sport facilities.

 

 


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  #2137880 1-Dec-2018 19:24
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Nobody collects recycling where we live, so it all just goes in the bin.





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  #2137881 1-Dec-2018 19:29
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I thought Martinborough has a free drop off for rubbish, recycling and green waste.

 
 
 

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  #2137901 1-Dec-2018 20:27
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MikeB4: I thought Martinborough has a free drop off for rubbish, recycling and green waste.


Free except they don't pay my time or fuel...





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  #2137933 1-Dec-2018 21:37
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Your allegations against Z are totally baseless.

 

As much as I hate Z what you'd claimed simply isn't true. Their forecourt recycling is just that, and was even expanded after a big government grant last year.

 

https://z.co.nz/keeping-business-on-the-move/z-link/2017/july/message-from-mike-bennetts-ceo-5/

 

 

 

 


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NZ has no place for soft plastic recycling to go. Sure you may recycle it..but then what?

 

I just read that its all bailed up and going mouldy as there are no uses for it. In fact most of our plastic recycling is now going to land fill as there are no markets for it world wide.

 

But banning single use plastic bags is such a leap forward considering mine all got reused well and truely. I now purchase bin liners when on special as these arent being banned.

 

Recycling is a mess and this Governments attention to it is severely lacking. 

 

Friends are just back from China and took paths that most of us dont. What they saw shocked them and is still giving them nightmares. Villages with no sanitation other than rivers, plastics strewn everywhere as there is no landfills, and massive factories gushing black smoke into the air and pollutants into the rivers. What ever NZ does will never have an impact on global pollution/climate change or even plastic use. Easy to say that we can teach the world to sing...but that is a dream.


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  #2137976 2-Dec-2018 01:05
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Bluntj:

NZ has no place for soft plastic recycling to go. Sure you may recycle it..but then what?


I just read that its all bailed up and going mouldy as there are no uses for it. In fact most of our plastic recycling is now going to land fill as there are no markets for it world wide.


But banning single use plastic bags is such a leap forward considering mine all got reused well and truely. I now purchase bin liners when on special as these arent being banned.


Recycling is a mess and this Governments attention to it is severely lacking. 


Friends are just back from China and took paths that most of us dont. What they saw shocked them and is still giving them nightmares. Villages with no sanitation other than rivers, plastics strewn everywhere as there is no landfills, and massive factories gushing black smoke into the air and pollutants into the rivers. What ever NZ does will never have an impact on global pollution/climate change or even plastic use. Easy to say that we can teach the world to sing...but that is a dream.



Quite. I've seen things in Vietnam that would curl your hair and don't even start on India.

NZ can wave the flag but the reality is we are a mouse trying to to stop an express train. Probably not even that. An ant.





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Bluntj:

NZ has no place for soft plastic recycling to go. Sure you may recycle it..but then what?


I just read that its all bailed up and going mouldy as there are no uses for it. In fact most of our plastic recycling is now going to land fill as there are no markets for it world wide.


But banning single use plastic bags is such a leap forward considering mine all got reused well and truely. I now purchase bin liners when on special as these arent being banned.


Recycling is a mess and this Governments attention to it is severely lacking. 


Friends are just back from China and took paths that most of us dont. What they saw shocked them and is still giving them nightmares. Villages with no sanitation other than rivers, plastics strewn everywhere as there is no landfills, and massive factories gushing black smoke into the air and pollutants into the rivers. What ever NZ does will never have an impact on global pollution/climate change or even plastic use. Easy to say that we can teach the world to sing...but that is a dream.



Quite. I've seen things in Vietnam that would curl your hair and don't even start on India.

NZ can wave the flag but the reality is we are a mouse trying to to stop an express train. Probably not even that. An ant.





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  #2137980 2-Dec-2018 05:04
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sbiddle:

 

Your allegations against Z are totally baseless.

 

As much as I hate Z what you'd claimed simply isn't true. Their forecourt recycling is just that, and was even expanded after a big government grant last year.

 

https://z.co.nz/keeping-business-on-the-move/z-link/2017/july/message-from-mike-bennetts-ceo-5/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I got that totally wrong.  I now believe what happens is that the Chch. sites have separate big 240L wheelie bins out the back for the two types of mixed recycling & these are collected weekly.  It's only the stuff in the 'red' bins that go directly to landfill.  So the 'Z' guys are doing a good job. 

 

 

 

 


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Bluntj:

 

NZ has no place for soft plastic recycling to go. Sure you may recycle it..but then what?

 

I just read that its all bailed up and going mouldy as there are no uses for it. In fact most of our plastic recycling is now going to land fill as there are no markets for it world wide.

 

But banning single use plastic bags is such a leap forward considering mine all got reused well and truely. I now purchase bin liners when on special as these arent being banned.

 

Recycling is a mess and this Governments attention to it is severely lacking. 

 

Friends are just back from China and took paths that most of us dont. What they saw shocked them and is still giving them nightmares. Villages with no sanitation other than rivers, plastics strewn everywhere as there is no landfills, and massive factories gushing black smoke into the air and pollutants into the rivers. What ever NZ does will never have an impact on global pollution/climate change or even plastic use. Easy to say that we can teach the world to sing...but that is a dream.

 

 

I was at New World yesterday and there was announcement over the speakers that they're not going to have plastic bags after X date and that they're proud to be doing their part. I just looked around at all the plastic packaging on the aisles that's still going to be there. It all seems to just be posturing.


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to the OP

 

https://www.ccc.govt.nz/services/rubbish-and-recycling/learning-resources/guides-information-and-videos/

 

I suggest you go on the occasional free tours or even visit your local 'rubbish dump' and see the recycling process in action e.g. Parkhouse Road. 

 

The biggest problem is people thinking they can recycle certain plastics when they cant. 

 

Google is your friend. 

 

 

 

 


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