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Topic # 29610 13-Jan-2009 13:03
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did you hear about the wellington priest who could be arrested for damaging public property?:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4816475a11.html

well a person made a complaint to police about the priest damaging public property and the police are considering arresting the priest. question is, public property belongs to the council right?, so how can a person who is not the council make a complaint to the police when he doesn't own the public property? it should be the council shouldn't it?


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  Reply # 189291 13-Jan-2009 17:37
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richgamer:

did you hear about the wellington priest who could be arrested for damaging public property?:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4816475a11.html

well a person made a complaint to police about the priest damaging public property and the police are considering arresting the priest. question is, public property belongs to the council right?, so how can a person who is not the council make a complaint to the police when he doesn't own the public property? it should be the council shouldn't it?



Easy.

Who reported does not change the fact the the priest damaged public property and it was witnessed by someone.

If you damage someone's property it's only right you get priminded for it. Especially if someone witnessed it.

For example (from work).

Person A takes his truck and rams it into a bus shelter
Person B witnesses it
The police looks up the rego of the truck.
See it is registered to Person A
Police ring the council to get a replacement cost for the bus shelter.
Person A is changed with a fine to replace the bus shelter.

EDIT : Reading that link the priest defaced an israeli memorial by spreading paint and blood on it . Can that be considered damaging it ?




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  Reply # 189294 13-Jan-2009 17:43
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richgamer:

did you hear about the wellington priest who could be arrested for damaging public property?:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4816475a11.html

well a person made a complaint to police about the priest damaging public property and the police are considering arresting the priest. question is, public property belongs to the council right?, so how can a person who is not the council make a complaint to the police when he doesn't own the public property? it should be the council shouldn't it?


So if you see someone break into your neighbours house and steal their TV and stereo, you think you cannot call the police about it?

Is that what you are saying?

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I so want to be wrong.







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  Reply # 189299 13-Jan-2009 17:57
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How very Christian! 




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  Reply # 189303 13-Jan-2009 18:07
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The memorial may not have been physically damaged by the paint and blood but there will be costs involved to clean it so he should either front up and pay or as a last resort be charged.

As an aside where were all the protesters when Hamas started firing rockets into Israel which kicked off this last scrap???

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  Reply # 189305 13-Jan-2009 18:11
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Lock him up and what country would goto a gun fight with sticks.

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  Reply # 189308 13-Jan-2009 18:23
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Yeah I dont get that whole Hamas thing.  Bit like baiting a bear.  You tease a bear it will kill you.  Totally disproportionate reaction but not totally unexpected.

+1 for lock the priest up




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Reply # 189311 13-Jan-2009 18:41
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marmel: As an aside where were all the protesters when Hamas started firing rockets into Israel which kicked off this last scrap???


A bunch of people who have very short memory, or don't really have interest to learn the situation. They go with the flow - and mob mentality. And if it's against Israel it must be good.

It shames me that some New Zealanders even had posters comparing Israel with Nazi Germany. Nothing could be more inadequate and barbaric than this comparison.

Also they conveniently forget that Israel sends warnings about the targets, and also forget that Hamas sends car bombs into refugee camps.




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  Reply # 189319 13-Jan-2009 19:08
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How can they ever expect to have peace there with the Hamas government having the destruction of Israel as one of their written policies?



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  Reply # 189325 13-Jan-2009 19:26
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sure that's what i'm saying because what if the neighbours give their friends permission to help them move house, but the neighbours forgot to leave a key to the house, so the friends smashed a window to get in and started loading the property into a car, and they were in a rush so they ran into a car but before they got in their car, police tackled them and the friends hit their heads on the ground and got brain damage, then when the home owners come home they told police the people they arrested had permission to remove the stuff from the house, then the police would have made a false arrest and brain damaged a few ppl.

that's why u can't have police arresting ppl if the owner of the property hasn't called police or made a complaint.

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richgamer:

did you hear about the wellington priest who could be arrested for damaging public property?:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4816475a11.html

well a person made a complaint to police about the priest damaging public property and the police are considering arresting the priest. question is, public property belongs to the council right?, so how can a person who is not the council make a complaint to the police when he doesn't own the public property? it should be the council shouldn't it?


So if you see someone break into your neighbours house and steal their TV and stereo, you think you cannot call the police about it?

Is that what you are saying?

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I so want to be wrong.

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  Reply # 189327 13-Jan-2009 19:31
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richgamer: sure that's what i'm saying because what if the neighbours give their friends permission to help them move house, but the neighbours forgot to leave a key to the house, so the friends smashed a window to get in and started loading the property into a car, and they were in a rush so they ran into a car but before they got in their car, police tackled them and the friends hit their heads on the ground and got brain damage, then when the home owners come home they told police the people they arrested had permission to remove the stuff from the house, then the police would have made a false arrest and brain damaged a few ppl.

that's why u can't have police arresting ppl if the owner of the property hasn't called police or made a complaint.



You haven't jut watched all of the Lethal Weapon movies by any chance??

Police do not turn up to incidents and just start tackling people left right and centre. The scenario you have mentioned (without the moving part) does happen on a regular basis where people get locked out or family come over and someone forgot to leave a key so they climb in through a window etc.

The first thing police do is establish who you are and if you have a lawful reason to be on/in the property.

Now if you are at an address looking suspicious and the neighbours call the police and you run off when they arrive then yes you will likely be tackled, otherwise you will only see this happening in movies (and possibly COPS...)





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  Reply # 189340 13-Jan-2009 20:31
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here is another scenario:

My girlfriend throws a basketball at me when we're at a park and it didn't hurt but i wasn't expecting it and yelled out the word ouch. another person at the park calls the police and says a girl threw a ball at a guy and he said ouch so i think he's hurt. the boyfriend leaves his girlfriend to go to work and his girlfriend stays at the park. police come and arrest the girlfriend for throwing a ball at a guy, even though the boyfriend didn't make a complaint and the person who called police was just a random person at a park. Is that fair? No.


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richgamer: sure that's what i'm saying because what if the neighbours give their friends permission to help them move house, but the neighbours forgot to leave a key to the house, so the friends smashed a window to get in and started loading the property into a car, and they were in a rush so they ran into a car but before they got in their car, police tackled them and the friends hit their heads on the ground and got brain damage, then when the home owners come home they told police the people they arrested had permission to remove the stuff from the house, then the police would have made a false arrest and brain damaged a few ppl.

that's why u can't have police arresting ppl if the owner of the property hasn't called police or made a complaint.



You haven't jut watched all of the Lethal Weapon movies by any chance??

Police do not turn up to incidents and just start tackling people left right and centre. The scenario you have mentioned (without the moving part) does happen on a regular basis where people get locked out or family come over and someone forgot to leave a key so they climb in through a window etc.

The first thing police do is establish who you are and if you have a lawful reason to be on/in the property.

Now if you are at an address looking suspicious and the neighbours call the police and you run off when they arrive then yes you will likely be tackled, otherwise you will only see this happening in movies (and possibly COPS...)



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  Reply # 189342 13-Jan-2009 20:37
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richgamer: here is another scenario:

My girlfriend throws a basketball at me when we're at a park and it didn't hurt but i wasn't expecting it and yelled out the word ouch. another person at the park calls the police and says a girl threw a ball at a guy and he said ouch so i think he's hurt. the boyfriend leaves his girlfriend to go to work and his girlfriend stays at the park. police come and arrest the girlfriend for throwing a ball at a guy, even though the boyfriend didn't make a complaint and the person who called police was just a random person at a park. Is that fair? No.




Do you seriously believe this would happen??????

There are so many things that just wouldn't happen in that scenario it's not worth even considering.

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richgamer: sure that's what i'm saying because what if the neighbours give their friends permission to help them move house, but the neighbours forgot to leave a key to the house, so the friends smashed a window to get in and started loading the property into a car, and they were in a rush so they ran into a car but before they got in their car, police tackled them and the friends hit their heads on the ground and got brain damage, then when the home owners come home they told police the people they arrested had permission to remove the stuff from the house, then the police would have made a false arrest and brain damaged a few ppl.

that's why u can't have police arresting ppl if the owner of the property hasn't called police or made a complaint.


Really? your posts make me sad.




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  Reply # 189367 13-Jan-2009 22:19
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johnr: Lock him up and what country would goto a gun fight with sticks.

Are you serious?  This is NZ - we don't lock up guilty people (despite the fact they admit their offence) if we take time to think about it.  Given that the thinking process is currently rolling, what do you *think* the outcome will be...???
MF: Also they conveniently forget that Israel sends warnings about the targets, and also forget that Hamas sends car bombs into refugee camps.

Very good point but you forgot to mention the Hamas rockets/bombs carry no warning whatsoever.
richgamer: here is another scenario:

My girlfriend throws a basketball at me when we're at a park and it didn't hurt but i wasn't expecting it and yelled out the word ouch. another person at the park calls the police and says a girl threw a ball at a guy and he said ouch so i think he's hurt. the boyfriend leaves his girlfriend to go to work and his girlfriend stays at the park. police come and arrest the girlfriend for throwing a ball at a guy, even though the boyfriend didn't make a complaint and the person who called police was just a random person at a park. Is that fair? No.

Fella - you're lucky forum rules prevent from saying what I really want to say!!

Mods - this has the potential to become a very divisive issue and is absolutely contra to the ideals of this website.  I believe it ought to be locked.

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