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# 41171 10-Sep-2009 17:25
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I'm not sure how many people on these forums there are young enough to appreciate just how terrible NCEA is.
Heres a quick rundown of NCEA for those of you who don't know.
Each subject has a list of standards each allocated a number of "credits" that count toward the overall qualification.
There are internally and externally assesed standards (in reference to the school), and there are also unit standards and achievement standards. Unit standards can either be "achieved" or "not achieved" however achievement standards can be "not achieved", "achieved", "achieved with merit" and "achieved with excellence". To make things worse each individual standard has a certain amount of "achieved", "merit" or "excellence"  questions that need to be correct to recieve that grade, the amount changes from paper to paper. Each paper is worth around 3-4 credits.
To get Level One you need 80 level one credits and atleast 8 in literacy and 8 in numeracy.
To get Level Two you need atleast 60 credits from level 2 or higher and 20 can be carried forward from level 1.
To get Level Three you need atleast 60 credits from level 3 or higher and 20 can be carried forward from level 2.
Each level can be endorsed with merit or excellence if you get 50 credits with merit or excellence.

My current subjects at year 12 (form 6) Level 2 are:

  • English (which I thoroughly despise but am forced to take)

  • Chemistry

  • Physics 

  • Computer Studies

  • Level 3 Computer Programming

  • Cambridge Math (As)

In each of my courses bar math (I am sitting an international exam through the university of cambridge) give me oppurtunity for about 20 credits, I have done no work in english at all because of my opposal to being forced to learn literature.
The trouble is both of my computer courses are unit standards only, there is no achievement standards in all of NCEA for computer courses. There is however achievement standards in Physical Education. So unless I get merit or excellence in all my other subjects in all the papers I won't get an endorsement.

In summary in our national secondary education qualification you can be deemed excellent for running around a field fast but not if you have an aptitude for computing!

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  # 254815 10-Sep-2009 17:40
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I Agree Fully

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  # 254816 10-Sep-2009 17:52
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Its a crock mate i know. What I want to know is how you can get UE (university Entrance) but fail NCEA level 3 (7th form)!?!? Shoddy system that was only half done!


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  # 254833 10-Sep-2009 18:31
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To correct you.... For level one you only need 80 credits at level 1 or higher including literacy , numeracy .

I remember this as at level 1 I was taking level 3 ICT getting 44 credits from it :) which I could use for 3 years of NCEA :)

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  # 254837 10-Sep-2009 18:41
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Yeah, grammatical error. I meant 80 credits including atleast 8 of those in literacy and 8 in numeracy.

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Ultimate Geek

  # 254844 10-Sep-2009 19:09

Doing Level 2 (Year 12) at the moment,

* Maths L2
* Physics L2
* Electronics L2
* Economics L2
* ICT L3
* English L2

I've never done school cert, I just went straight into NCEA and was 'brought up' with it. I really don't see what the fuss is about, you still have to learn the same stuff. Just a different system.

The only thing I hate is Unit Standards. You have to know exactly the same stuff as you do for Excellence but you get a lousy Achieved to show for it. Waste of time. Some subjects students want to do but for it to even be plausible to achieve a certificate with Merit/Excellence they are drawn to the not so favourable subjects that offer Achievement Standards instead.

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  # 254849 10-Sep-2009 19:23
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I was part of the first year of NCEA the (Test Year) and i have to say that i didn't mind it at all.
Firstly the only unit standards i had were in things like Industrial Engineering where you could either operate the Tig Wealder or you got burnt - so subjects like that deserve unit standards.
Secondly When looking for employment the interviews would be great because my CV would say i had Excellence in such and such and they would not know what that means so they would just take it as awesome. Your hired!
But one of my teachers forgot to enter my marks for a couple of my english standards and I missed out on University entrance because of that.

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  # 254879 10-Sep-2009 21:09
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I do Level 2 computing too. It is a shocking ciriculum. There are huge problems associated with it which cause huge issues. Every teacher I've talked to hates it.

Basically it's integrated with the technology course and is basically only unit standards. We do two achievement standards throughout the whole year through the Technology framework.

Level 2 focuses on web site design and it is a shocking course, you spend roughly a month coding the website and the rest is paperwork the whole year! While paperwork is important it is totally absurd what kind of paper work you are forced to do. Some examples are 'Key Factors' 'Gantt Chart' 'Plan of Action' and constant ridiculous questionarres and indentification documents. That's just to name a few.

The worst is it's total focus on HTML and only HTML. The course provides very little room for CSS, PHP and so on. This leads to horribly produced websites. Smarter students have no way to extend themselves and everyone is forced to create crappy little websites.

Computing in NCEA is absolutely shocking and disgraceful, it barely teaches any real skills you need to properly develop a website. The most concerning problem is how computers have such a mammoth impact in every facet of life except in NCEA it's pretty much disregarded.

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