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Topic # 86079 30-Jun-2011 18:47
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This week the alarms went off a few times, we assumed it was just testing because they went off after a few seconds, and they go off quite a lot so we just have the general rule, if its longer than 10seconds, then we leave.

Anyways, today it went of during registration, and stopped after a few seconds. Then during 5th period I was in the hall for a services march that my brother was in and my family wanted me to go watch. The school had deliberately silenced all alarms on campus so they would not disturb us. But little did we know, some girls at the start of 5th period had lit a book on fire, and threw it under the building (this was a science/maths combined building with like 10 + classes) and this being a science block, it had gas tanks on the side of the building and gas pipes running under the building posing a serious risk. So I found out after this all happened that my mate in that building ran out of the class, and smashed the glass for the alarm. There was no hammer, and it was not easy break glass either or the push and pull things. He cut his hand quite bad. So he pulled the alarm and it did nothing. Another girl did the same to another alarm, cut her hand and the alarm did nothing. Teacher did the same to another alarm, did nothing until someone told the office what happened, but still no alarm. 

Most of my mates are prefects (year 13's) and went around the class rooms evacuating everyone but no one believed them and it was very slow.

Normal procedure at our school is for everyone to go to the field but that didn't happen because it was wet or something so everyone was crowding around the building that had a fire under it with the gas lines. No one knew what was going on and it was all very confusing. We even went to a presentation for the services while the fire trucks were putting the fire out. How bad is that?

So me and the prefects of our year will be laying a complaint with the school and ministry of education if possible because this was a hazard to us as students and the teachers. We have fire drills which are went better than this. We all know what to do but no one did it.

So how would we go about doing this? Our student rep. is speaking to the other prefects and will organise a meeting with some teachers and go from there, but we don't think the school will do anything about the girls who set the fire, we're pretty certain they know who did it too. The school has a history of not getting the police involved. Like in my case when I had a knife put to my throat in school, they only suspended the kid for 5 days and didn't proceed with laying charges, we had to do everything ourselves. 

Any help would be great.

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(P.S. I'm not naming my school here for obvious reasons until this is sorted) 




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  Reply # 488025 30-Jun-2011 19:24
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Arsonists, people with knives, incompetent staff, it sounds like burning your school with everyone in it could be a good thing!

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  Reply # 488028 30-Jun-2011 19:43
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I wouldn't really want to attend that school any longer, and i would complain to the Ministry of Education asap. Also Bring it up with the broad of Trustees for the school.




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  Reply # 488031 30-Jun-2011 19:51
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I would send a letter to each of the trustees on the school's board. They are removed from the school's day to day operation so if they find out your story then they will likely demand answers from the principal

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  Reply # 488033 30-Jun-2011 19:51
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  Reply # 488034 30-Jun-2011 19:54
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tardtasticx: The school had deliberately silenced all alarms on campus so they would not disturb us.



So did the school tell everyone that the alarms were silenced and to be extra aware ?




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  Reply # 488037 30-Jun-2011 19:56
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Nope. They didn't tell us anything before hand. We were told after because one of the students found out apparently. I'll talk to some more people and make sure of everything before I start writing up but we know the alarms work fine because they've been testing them quite a lot, and students quite often pull the alarms as pranks.

And yeh I don't really want to attend this school any more but it's my final year and we're already half way through so I can't really leave and start fresh in a new school. Plus this is the only High School I'm in zone for.




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  Reply # 488055 30-Jun-2011 20:44
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I find it interesting that you are so quick to point the finger at the school and the MOE but not at your peers!

Take it out on the stupid little b!@~45 who were so stupid as to try something like this and tried to burn you all alive - they're the ones that really need punishing. Do something really useful and report them to the police.

Sometimes there are faults with alarm systems and they need to be silenced. That is life. Have been in that situation before. The schools failing was that everyone (especially all teachers) should have made aware of it, that's all. I guarantee they had people chasing the faults already and trying to fix them.

As for people not moving clear of buildings, who's at fault there?

You are acting on pure emotion at the moment and that is not when you should be taking action. You need to wait a day or so to calm down and are thinking rationally again. Then look at the whole incident and take action on what you see as appropriate.

The school did not take any deliberate actions to harm anyone - your peers did!

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  Reply # 488093 30-Jun-2011 22:39
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keewee01: Sometimes there are faults with alarm systems and they need to be silenced. That is life. Have been in that situation before. The schools failing was that everyone (especially all teachers) should have made aware of it, that's all. I guarantee they had people chasing the faults already and trying to fix them.


The original post implies that the alarms were malfunctioning throughout the week. This is a totally unacceptable situation and should have been addressed with the utmost urgency. In my view a complaint to the Department of Labour would be justified here.

As for people not moving clear of buildings, who's at fault there?


I agree with this point. Evacuees should have moved straight to the designated assembly area which was most likely well away from any buildings.



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  Reply # 488095 30-Jun-2011 22:45
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alasta:
keewee01: Sometimes there are faults with alarm systems and they need to be silenced. That is life. Have been in that situation before. The schools failing was that everyone (especially all teachers) should have made aware of it, that's all. I guarantee they had people chasing the faults already and trying to fix them.


The original post implies that the alarms were malfunctioning throughout the week. This is a totally unacceptable situation and should have been addressed with the utmost urgency. In my view a complaint to the Department of Labour would be justified here.

As for people not moving clear of buildings, who's at fault there?


I agree with this point. Evacuees should have moved straight to the designated assembly area which was most likely well away from any buildings.


I completely understand Keewee01, I'll do that for sure. And as for the dumb $lu7's that did it, we can't do anything until they know for sure it was them. But someone knows, that's for sure.

Is there any law requiring alarms at schools? 




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  Reply # 488101 30-Jun-2011 22:59
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I do sort of agree with keewee01, Although clearly something went wrong the school wasn't trying to harm students and i'm not sure what a formal complaint will actually achieve.

The alarm was obviously faulty so even if it was switched on who knows if it would have deteced the fire. The school was also addressing the problem, and it is very unlikely the process could have been speeded up anymore than they were already doing.

I can understand the confusion with people not moving to the field but again nto sure it's the schools fault. I assume teachers were checking building and at least attempting to move people at this point - of course if they were just standing around talking that is another matter. But it sounds like they were doing their best.

I would imagine the presentation was only given the go ahead after the fire department said it was safe. They simply wouldn't have aloud it if they thought people were in danger.

It is the people who lit the fire that should have the book thrown at them, as far as I can see the school was doing it's best and a fire occured at an unfortunate time.

The kids knew the fire alarm was broken and then lit a fire, you could almost argue they should be charged with attempted murder (although charging them with anything would be a good outcome).

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  Reply # 488102 30-Jun-2011 23:05
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The original post implies that the alarms were malfunctioning throughout the week. This is a totally unacceptable situation and should have been addressed with the utmost urgency. In my view a complaint to the Department of Labour would be justified here.




You clearly don't know how schools work.

When i was at school we also had a broken fire alarm. For some reason the ministry of education chose to put a very rare type of alarm in the school so when it needed to be fixed their was only one man in NZ who knew how to fix them. When the alarm broke he was on another job and didn't arrive for a week, he then spent 3 days figuring out the fault and then parts from overseas took a week to arrive, another 3 more days to replace parts and the alarm was working again.

Thats almost 3 weeks without an alarm but it wasn't the school fault, in fact it wasn't anybodies fault it was just the way things were.

It is very unfair to blame the school for a fire alarm that was faulty when they were in the process of fixing it.
Unless they were delaying the process for some reason then it is not the schools fault.



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  Reply # 488106 30-Jun-2011 23:40
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tardtasticx: when I had a knife put to my throat in school, they only suspended the kid for 5 days and didn't proceed with laying charges, we had to do everything ourselves.

I think you've said it all right there...

jbard: the ministry of education chose to put a very rare type of alarm in the school so when it needed to be fixed their was only one man in NZ who knew how to fix them ...  almost 3 weeks without an alarm but it wasn't the school fault, in fact it wasn't anybodies fault it was just the way things were.

It is very unfair to blame the school...

I agree with the last part, but somebody is at fault for this & you imply its the MOE ("the ministry of education chose to put a very rare type of alarm in the school ").

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  Reply # 488107 30-Jun-2011 23:48
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I agree with the last part, but somebody is at fault for this & you imply its the MOE ("the ministry of education chose to put a very rare type of alarm in the school ").


Well yes that was in my case, that is not the case at this school as far i as know.

The fire alarm at my school was fitted years before i got there and i have no idea why it was fitted, at the time it may have been the best option for the school. I can't see any reason why the Ministry would go out if their way to choose a rare alarm unless their was a good reason for it.

In hindsight it is very easy to say the school could have done more but given the situation i think i would have made similar decisions.

The way i see it a crime has been commited and the people to blame are the ones who commited that crime.




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  Reply # 488108 30-Jun-2011 23:49
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I agree with the last part, but somebody is at fault for this & you imply its the MOE ("the ministry of education chose to put a very rare type of alarm in the school ").


Well yes that was in my case, that is not the case at this school as far i as know.

The fire alarm at my school was fitted years before i got there and i have no idea why it was fitted, at the time it may have been the best option for the school. I can't see any reason why the Ministry would go out if their way to choose a rare alarm unless their was a good reason for it.

In hindsight it is very easy to say the school could have done more but given the situation i think i would have made similar decisions.

The way i see it a crime has been commited and the people to blame are the ones who commited that crime.

I agree. but thats not to say that the school is totally blameless. They had a role in this too.

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  Reply # 488116 1-Jul-2011 00:56
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i would send the girl to jail first

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