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agent86

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#275825 11-Sep-2020 12:24

Hello wise & knowledgeable geekzoners,

I've been looking at replacing my elderly parent's slow and unreliable ADSL connection with fibre.

They'd like to keep hold of their landline.

Their house was built in the early 80s and I'm just wondering if the photo below is of phone wiring?

The photo was taken in the garage and I'm thinking it would probably be the ideal location to install the ONT.

If it is phone wiring, then could it used in part of a integrated wiring setup to connect their 2 phones to a voice compatible fibre modem?

Thank you!

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#2562249 11-Sep-2020 12:28

Yep thats the phones! The yellow/black is the external lead-in. The red/white will head off to the jackpoints.

So if you request integrated wiring that would be very easy to whip that red/white off and connect it to an ATA of some description.

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#2562250 11-Sep-2020 12:30

The short answer is yes - the Black cable with Yellow and Black wires is your external incoming (most likely, but never guaranteed) and the White and Red are the wires going to the rest of the house (again, most likely but never guaranteed).

If you grabbed a cable out of the modem's phone port, stripped it and screwed it down onto the spare blocks, and then moved the white and red to those blocks, you should be up and running while leaving your external POTS feed intact.

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agent86

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#2562256 11-Sep-2020 12:39

Thank you both so much for your speedy replies!
A great help, much appreciated!

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#2562264 11-Sep-2020 12:56

Also note considering the red/white is used the house most likely has master/slave jack points not the new 2 wire jack points, the resistor across pairs 2 and 5 in the master jack point will be absolutely killing your potential dsl speed

Can you tell me if the jack points in the house have "M" and "E" on them or the number "2"

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#2562326 11-Sep-2020 13:59

Just a note on the proposed ONT location: don't feel you have to install it where the phone wiring "begin's" in the house. Provided you disconnect internal and external wiring at the point in the photograph, you could have the ONT/ATA at any jack point in the house and seamlessly liven every existing jack-point (back-feed if you will).

This is what I've done because the fibre and copper came in at entirely different places in my house.

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#2562472 11-Sep-2020 17:57

nztim:
Also note considering the red/white is used the house most likely has master/slave jack points not the new 2 wire jack points, the resistor across pairs 2 and 5 in the master jack point will be absolutely killing your potential dsl speed

Can you tell me if the jack points in the house have "M" and "E" on them or the number "2"

Thanks nztim. I'll have a look the next time I'm there.
I mentioned the ADSL is unreliable because my parents also had a long existing issue where heavy rain would cause issues with their phone line they've had at least a couple of technicians over the years but the problem persists.

agent86

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#2562473 11-Sep-2020 18:02

tripper1000:
Just a note on the proposed ONT location: don't feel you have to install it where the phone wiring "begin's" in the house. Provided you disconnect internal and external wiring at the point in the photograph, you could have the ONT/ATA at any jack point in the house and seamlessly liven every existing jack-point (back-feed if you will).

This is what I've done because the fibre and copper came in at entirely different places in my house.

Thanks tripper1000. Good to know. I figured the garage might be the best location as it's closest to the road. There's one jack-point on the second level in the master bedroom and the other is right round the back of the property.

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#2562482 11-Sep-2020 18:11

agent86:
nztim:

Also note considering the red/white is used the house most likely has master/slave jack points not the new 2 wire jack points, the resistor across pairs 2 and 5 in the master jack point will be absolutely killing your potential dsl speed

Can you tell me if the jack points in the house have "M" and "E" on them or the number "2"

Thanks nztim. I'll have a look the next time I'm there.
I mentioned the ADSL is unreliable because my parents also had a long existing issue where heavy rain would cause issues with their phone line they've had at least a couple of technicians over the years but the problem persists.

In that case its most likely a bad Joint outside the house

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#2563419 14-Sep-2020 09:06

agent86: ... had a long existing issue where heavy rain would cause issues with their phone line they've had at least a couple of technicians over the years but the problem persists.

Unfortunately these wet-weather faults are hard for the tech's to find in dry weather. A friend had the same issue and it wasn't until the connection stayed failed during wet AND dry weather that Chorus was able to find and fix it (during lock-down!). It had been an issue for 2 years prior and now it is finally fixed.

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#2563805 14-Sep-2020 14:59

toejam316:

The short answer is yes - the Black cable with Yellow and Black wires is your external incoming (most likely, but never guaranteed) and the White and Red are the wires going to the rest of the house (again, most likely but never guaranteed).

If you grabbed a cable out of the modem's phone port, stripped it and screwed it down onto the spare blocks, and then moved the white and red to those blocks, you should be up and running while leaving your external POTS feed intact.

So I just contacted Orcon and they said they don't do integrated wiring, but it sounds like something I could do.
I had a look at a RJ11 cable and it has a red and green wire.
So I assume the red from the RJ11 connects to the red of wire to the jack and the green wire connects to the white wire to the jack, is that right?

Thanks again!

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#2564420 15-Sep-2020 15:01

Wiring modifications were simple at my place.

1) Disconnect copper from the street at the junction box photo graphed above.

2) Using RJ11 to BT plug lead (normally used for ADSL) plug phone outlet on router (RJ11) into a vacant telephone outlet socket on the wall.

Done! Just be sure the internal wiring really is dead before plugging in the router phone output, otherwise it could get ugly.

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#2564422 15-Sep-2020 15:04

To answer your question - yes, sounds right. Red to red and green to white sounds right. Just make sure that the black and yellow (from the street) are disconnected first.

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#2564453 15-Sep-2020 15:39

tripper1000:

To answer your question - yes, sounds right. Red to red and green to white sounds right. Just make sure that the black and yellow (from the street) are disconnected first.

you can just move red/white on the image above onto the spare terminals of that old NZPO block

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agent86

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#2566204 16-Sep-2020 19:58

tripper1000:
Wiring modifications were simple at my place.

1) Disconnect copper from the street at the junction box photo graphed above.

2) Using RJ11 to BT plug lead (normally used for ADSL) plug phone outlet on router (RJ11) into a vacant telephone outlet socket on the wall.

Done! Just be sure the internal wiring really is dead before plugging in the router phone output, otherwise it could get ugly.

Unfortunately there aren't any spare sockets on the wall to tap into.
Anyway, thank you all for your help!

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#2566226 16-Sep-2020 20:37

tripper1000:

agent86: ... had a long existing issue where heavy rain would cause issues with their phone line they've had at least a couple of technicians over the years but the problem persists.

Unfortunately these wet-weather faults are hard for the tech's to find in dry weather. A friend had the same issue and it wasn't until the connection stayed failed during wet AND dry weather that Chorus was able to find and fix it (during lock-down!). It had been an issue for 2 years prior and now it is finally fixed.

They usually just let it dry out before visting so they can do a no fault found.

Richard rich.ms

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