My un-consented UFB install

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WayDownSouth

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#1191783 8-Dec-2014 20:32

The chorus standard installation is externally cabled, so anything such as trunking or internally cabling is actually customer chargeable. I think your find that chorus now only pay one code for the whole installation. Previously when the government had a pool for installation, a lot was done under time and materials.

chevrolux:
mdooher:
Cbfd: @mdooher if you think you can makr money doing these installa be my guest and go out onto the road and see what its like - a coded install which alot of chorus techs are get paid about $280 for an install no matter what work they do so go out and make a living doing a nice job _b

I train people to do this sort of work. I know how it should be done. I know what sort of work would I would sign off as competent.

A contractor agrees to to a job for a certain price, if he doesn't think it can be done to a high standard for that price he has a choice... Lower his standards, or don't take the job.

Anecdotally many of these installs have been done by visionstream, I haven't seen their share price dropping because they are losing money. I don't know what they pay their subcontractors or techs or how they organise an install but they are not losing money.

Coming from actually doing UFB installs I can tell you the money is not that awesome but it certainly covers a length of trunking.
The install is not a single code. We got codes for every aspect of the job and for just about every situation - at first we thought the amount of different codes was crazy but they are like that so it is fair on the contractors. If contractors aren't proactively monitoring their installs to claim the right codes that is their problem.

I wouldn't expect a UFB installer to drill down a wall (that does take a decent chunk of time) but if running internally I would expect some trunking to be used because there is certainly enough in the internal codes to pay for a bit of that.

DarthKermit

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#1191799 8-Dec-2014 20:42

WayDownSouth: I would do the same myself, but how many others are prepare to provide new trenching/ ducting themselves or pay someone else to have it done.

Theres no such thing as a FREE BREAKFAST

DarthKermit:
WayDownSouth: The installers install to a standard which chorus set. Many installers do provide a higher standard than the ones set. The customer has the choice not to accept the installation standards and therefore the service, or have the choice to pay someone like you or me to provide a draw wire, trenching, conduit or any other method that the customer would find acceptable. I've found in the past, that most customers don't want to pay for anything past the free installation (Both sky and UFB installs)

I decided to install my own conduit, buried 500 mm down after seeing install jobs such as this one:

in my area.

Here's my DIY installation if you wanna check it out:
My UFB conduit install

Whatifthespacekeyhadneverbeeninvented?

daparrot

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#1191892 9-Dec-2014 06:14

First off sorry this is long...

The point everyone is missing is that Crown Fibre Holdings let contracts to four parties to do UFB
installs, those parties accepted the terms and costs
They started doing professional installs and now they realise they stuffed up their maths they are doing dodgy
unacceptable installs

First off these are not free installs for the end user, we as taxpayers are paying for this installation.
It could be compared to Housing NZ who let a contract to a organisation to paint their state houses
A rate and standard are agreed and that organisation start painting the houses, during the process of painting the
first and last house they (housing NZ) have testers going round testing the paint job ( thickness of paint, finish etc.. )
if the testers find it is not the same standard as the first houses they have to go back and do a proper job.
That way we have a paint job that lasts ( ie no watered down paint to meet the cost quoted..)

Or we could compare it to the contractors building a section of motorway, they start out good and run out
of budget (that they tendered on) so start doing cheaper techniques this means yes we get a new road but
parts of it will need expensive maintenance sooner and at whose cost?

I think Chorus need to stop quoting to build super high ways when they really are building below average
roads with maintenance issues just round the corner

My client asked about under-grounding, he offered to have rocks moved and a trench dug etc.. and basically
was told that they knew what they were doing. There seems to be no official channel for the end user to contact
someone to inspect the job to see if it meets spec. Everyone just says its someone else's problem

WayDownSouth

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#1191900 9-Dec-2014 06:56

The Government had a pool of money that the RSP could use to pay for the installation of the fibre (nga - Next generation access). This money is different from the UFB build work which is the piping up the roadsides and cabinets etc. The pool of money the government gave for installations was given to the RSP as not enough people were paying to have it installed (At an average of over 2K) and the government didn't what there UFB policy to look poor.

This government pool of money ran out long ago so you are incorrect the taxpayer is no longer paying for them! Chorus where paying their contractors time and materials when the pool was available and now are paying one code for the installation depending on if its aerial, existing duct, surface mount or trenching. If you have an existing aerial, it must be aerial, then existing duct, the externally cabled. If no other option chorus must give approval for anything over 3m of trenching. Chorus has managed to bring down the cost to somewhere around $1300-1500 per install meaning more people will benefit from fibre.

You have the choice not to accept the installation method and therefore no fibre to your house or
You have the choice to provide a trench and piping to your house, and have someone provide trunking or draw strings,
but how many people will pay someone to provide these extra services?

Chorus standard is externally cable, same as sky. A lot of retro fitted gear is now run externally such as water pipes/ gas pipe etc.

daparrot: First off sorry this is long...

The point everyone is missing is that Crown Fibre Holdings let contracts to four parties to do UFB
installs, those parties accepted the terms and costs
They started doing professional installs and now they realise they stuffed up their maths they are doing dodgy
unacceptable installs

First off these are not free installs for the end user, we as taxpayers are paying for this installation.
It could be compared to Housing NZ who let a contract to a organisation to paint their state houses
A rate and standard are agreed and that organisation start painting the houses, during the process of painting the
first and last house they (housing NZ) have testers going round testing the paint job ( thickness of paint, finish etc.. )
if the testers find it is not the same standard as the first houses they have to go back and do a proper job.
That way we have a paint job that lasts ( ie no watered down paint to meet the cost quoted..)

Or we could compare it to the contractors building a section of motorway, they start out good and run out
of budget (that they tendered on) so start doing cheaper techniques this means yes we get a new road but
parts of it will need expensive maintenance sooner and at whose cost?

I think Chorus need to stop quoting to build super high ways when they really are building below average
roads with maintenance issues just round the corner

My client asked about under-grounding, he offered to have rocks moved and a trench dug etc.. and basically
was told that they knew what they were doing. There seems to be no official channel for the end user to contact
someone to inspect the job to see if it meets spec. Everyone just says its someone else's problem

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