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#2593788 30-Oct-2020 08:28

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Thing is we only need a router to be able to do 4Gbps as that's the fastest connection speed available from Chorus right now. I will post my results once I have got it setup. Current ETA from Orcon is 20 working days.

I only did some very brief testing with a RB4011 last year and from memory without fast track it could only route around 1.5Gbps.

Since Orcon don't support bridge mode it's a bit of a moot point anyway since you're limited to using the Nokia RGW.

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#2593789 30-Oct-2020 08:29

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You may find that orcon have made the call to only support RGW mode.

Makes sense given the product.... there is very few CPE's available that will route it, with the majority requiring RJ45 SFP+ modules.

I'm still waiting on there being a serious option available from Mikrotik on the lower end...

RB4011 is about as cheap as you'll probably ever get for a while - the performance of that is pretty impressive for the price, and it can get close to 10Gbps with fast track enabled. I haven't done any extensive testing though and suspect it would start to bog down pretty quickly though if you loaded it up with rules.

RB4011 has only one 10gbps sfp+ port. It was designed for NAS I think.

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#2593801 30-Oct-2020 09:04

vhunt3r:

Thing is we only need a router to be able to do 4Gbps as that's the fastest connection speed available from Chorus right now. I will post my results once I have got it setup. Current ETA from Orcon is 20 working days.

I started to use soft router many years ago. I still have one running, as a internal router.

If a good cpu is used, it can handle 10Gbps NAT without much trouble, for home. But all the traffic goes to the network adapter needs to go through CPU. It still introduces extra latency. I tested the performance of small packets forwarding, it is much slower than those professional 10Gbps routers even with a tweaked kernel. It cannot be used as a switch due to poor switching performance. A 10Gbps switch is needed. Comparing to the NZD1000 10Gbps router from MikroTik, it does not save much.

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#2593811 30-Oct-2020 09:27

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RB4011 has only one 10gbps sfp+ port. It was designed for NAS I think.

It really depends what you determine the benefits of 10Gbps to be - because for the vast majority of use cases it is going to be getting a WAN connection of greater than 1Gbps but still 1Gbps to individual users. There are just so few use cases and real world scenarios at present where more than 1Gbps to individual PC's is of any real benefit.

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#2593815 30-Oct-2020 09:33

you could stick a 10G switch between the ONT and RB4011 and then do some funky routing to get the 4/4G routed out the single port..

But it's fairly limited given fast track is required etc.

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#2593816 30-Oct-2020 09:37

sbiddle:

eong:

RB4011 has only one 10gbps sfp+ port. It was designed for NAS I think.

It really depends what you determine the benefits of 10Gbps to be - because for the vast majority of use cases it is going to be getting a WAN connection of greater than 1Gbps but still 1Gbps to individual users. There are just so few use cases and real world scenarios at present where more than 1Gbps to individual PC's is of any real benefit.

That's not the case for me. My workstations at home are all using 40Gbps adapters. I have two 4U servers with 36 10Tb disks and some SSDs running ZFS to provide iSCSI, NFS and samba service to those workstations. Those workstatons only have one NVME SSD to run systems. It's pretty easy to hit 4G/s (32Gbps) on Linux and 2.5G/s (20Gbps) on Windows 10. I suppose I am living in another virtual world. :)

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#2593817 30-Oct-2020 09:39

eong:

That's not the case for me. My workstations at home are all using 40Gbps adapters. I have two 4U servers with 36 10Tb disks and some SSDs running ZFS to provide iSCSI, NFS and samba service to those workstations. Those workstatons only have one NVME SSD to run systems. It's pretty easy to hit 4G/s (32Gbps) on Linux and 2.5G/s (20Gbps) on Windows 10. I suppose I am living in another virtual world. :)

it is worth remembering, your still in that sub 1ms area.

what steve was commenting on is when it gets to the outside world, where the tcp latency curve comes in - Yes there are good options that mitigate this but not on small files :)

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#2593819 30-Oct-2020 09:41

eong:

That's not the case for me. My workstations at home are all using 40Gbps adapters. I have two 4U servers with 36 10Tb disks and some SSDs running ZFS to provide iSCSI, NFS and samba service to those workstations. Those workstatons only have one NVME SSD to run systems. It's pretty easy to hit 4G/s (32Gbps) on Linux and 2.5G/s (20Gbps) on Windows 10. I suppose I am living in another virtual world. :)

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#2593824 30-Oct-2020 09:48

hio77:

eong:

That's not the case for me. My workstations at home are all using 40Gbps adapters. I have two 4U servers with 36 10Tb disks and some SSDs running ZFS to provide iSCSI, NFS and samba service to those workstations. Those workstatons only have one NVME SSD to run systems. It's pretty easy to hit 4G/s (32Gbps) on Linux and 2.5G/s (20Gbps) on Windows 10. I suppose I am living in another virtual world. :)

it is worth remembering, your still in that sub 1ms area.

what steve was commenting on is when it gets to the outside world, where the tcp latency curve comes in - Yes there are good options that mitigate this but not on small files :)

The internal network should at least has same speed with your external (hyperfibre). As you are getting a hyperfibre of 4Gbps and their next step is moving to 10Gbps, why not using(recommending) a device can run 10Gbps on serveral ports?

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#2593827 30-Oct-2020 10:04

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I just recieved my 10Gbps router.

A transceiver is needed for 10Gbps connection to ONT.

How fast can the latest SSD be?

I suppose I should unsubsribe this thread now. It's getting boring. Yes, I am afraid we are living in a different world.

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#2594036 30-Oct-2020 15:38

@eong Geez, not everyone has Hyperfibre yet so please don't post huge images - resize your images appropriately and use the Geekzone image uploader.

But - you really don't mind noise don't you? I am sticking to my Edgerouter 4 along with Gigabit until some decent fanless 10Gbit routers / switches come out. By then most ISP's will have service available.

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#2594038 30-Oct-2020 15:43

michaelmurfy:
@eong Geez, not everyone has Hyperfibre yet so please don't post huge images - resize your images appropriately and use the Geekzone image uploader.

But - you really don't mind noise don't you? I am sticking to my Edgerouter 4 along with Gigabit until some decent fanless 10Gbit routers / switches come out. By then most ISP's will have service available.

But the server was upgraded! It can has more photos!

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#2594039 30-Oct-2020 15:46

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But the server was upgraded! It can has more photos!

Only if they're uploaded here...

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#2594040 30-Oct-2020 15:47

michaelmurfy:
hio77:
But the server was upgraded! It can has more photos!

Only if they're uploaded here...

Geekzone should just have an image shrinker platform.

Then I can go back to pasting base64

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#2594051 30-Oct-2020 16:16

michaelmurfy:

@eong Geez, not everyone has Hyperfibre yet so please don't post huge images - resize your images appropriately and use the Geekzone image uploader.

But - you really don't mind noise don't you? I am sticking to my Edgerouter 4 along with Gigabit until some decent fanless 10Gbit routers / switches come out. By then most ISP's will have service available.

Next time I will try the uploader. But it is a good reason to go hyperfibre, isn't it? You may hate me if I post the original images took by my DSLR. lol.

I recommend the new 10Gbps router from MikroTik because it's super quiet. If you do not believe me, search the reviews on Youtube.

I am not a fan of noise at all. I replaced the PSU and fans in my 4U servers and they are really quiet. I also replaced the fans and patched the fan control module (binary) of my Mellanox switches, so I can barely hear them.

I prefer to solve the problem instead of avoiding it.

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