Any UFB providers able to do untagged ONT port?

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Publius

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#1314258 29-May-2015 17:35

BigPipeNZ:
I'm about to move from a VDSL-enabled home to a UFB-ready apartment,

I'm always really nervous when I read this. Landlords mean many different things when they say "It's UFB ready", and the Chorus map is quite misleading - just because an apartment block is in the UFB zone, doesn't mean you can get it quickly installed, or even at all.

OP - For that reason, I checked and had a look at your case and the specific address. Not great news unfortunately. One of our team will email you the details shortly (If they haven't already)

I couldn't agree more. Landlords lie (sometimes intentionally) but pretty much all apartment listings saying "UFB ready" really means, "UFB can be ordered in theory".
I'd say check a listings photo's for an ONT, but landlords seem to always use historical photos when listing places (very annoying).

Apartments are complex, as you found the body corp is another party involved. When looking at a place to rent it's hard to get any real data on what the body corp thinks about UFB.
Some apartments (cheap ones with industrial style corridors) if you do an inspection you can see chorus equipment in the hallways which makes things obvious although tacky.
Better quality apartments is impossible to tell as everything is hidden. These will generally have a full-time onsite building manager though, so if you're serious about an apartment get the landlord to give you the contact details for the building manager and give them a call. They know everything and will quickly let you know if the building has had a fit-out already or if they've objected, or even if some installs have been done (they have to provide access to the installers so they know what's going on).
If you move into an apartment you will need to be in touch with the building manager anyway as apartments generally have procedures you have to follow when moving in (put up curtains in lift car so you don't scratch lift car's mirrors etc), so get their details early as you will need them anyway.

Also, unless you're 100% sure UFB is available always order DSL first. DSL can be provisioned in like 2 days, and most ISPs wont penalise you for moving to UFB later. Slow internet is much better than no internet.

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#1314290 29-May-2015 19:06

magu:
BigPipeNZ:
I'm about to move from a VDSL-enabled home to a UFB-ready apartment,

I'm always really nervous when I read this. Landlords mean many different things when they say "It's UFB ready", and the Chorus map is quite misleading - just because an apartment block is in the UFB zone, doesn't mean you can get it quickly installed, or even at all.

OP - For that reason, I checked and had a look at your case and the specific address. Not great news unfortunately. One of our team will email you the details shortly (If they haven't already)

Indeed you are right, and I thank you for being so proactive. Apparently the building managers/owners declined consent for fibre to be installed.

That sucks. I don't understand why building managers like this would decline having fibre installed? Maybe they're just old fashioned and don't realise that while it's a little bit of a hassle it does increase the value and appeal of their building..

Aredwood

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#1314337 29-May-2015 20:52

Some of the no UFB buildings probably have expensive and slow body corporate owned wifi systems. No one will use them anymore if they can get UFB instead.

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#1314342 29-May-2015 21:22

If an apartment building was promoted as UFB ready, then you'd definitely have an "out" if the landlord / building owners denied consent.

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#1314536 30-May-2015 11:18

coffeebaron: If an apartment building was promoted as UFB ready, then you'd definitely have an "out" if the landlord / building owners denied consent.

Just out of interest, does the apartment unit landlord have to give consent for fibre install in the unit if the BC has already given consent for the entire building?

I was lucky with fibre install in our apartment, got in contact with BC before I ordered fibre, they approved and signed consent within a week of me ordering it. The design/build has taken almost 3 months but is due to be finished next week, hopefully.

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#1314572 30-May-2015 12:49

michaelmurfy:
deadlyllama: MyRepublic and Compass do untagged, with DHCP. MyRepublic are CGNAT and charge a one-off $20 fee for a static, public IP.

Is Bigpipe untagged-with-PPPoE or untagged-with-DHCP? The former places much more load on your router's CPU.

Untagged with PPPoE IIRC.

I would be very concerned if PPPoE puts any more load on a router than DHCP/IPoE. Yes you have a 90 second heartbeat but that is so inconsequential.

The main issue is mtu of 1492 vs 1500. But almost all modern cpe support mtu of 1508 on pppoe.

I way prefer pppoe over ipoe as pppoe means you can disconnect and reconnect quickly should the isp need to do something without impacting your service.

Otherwise with ipoe/dhcp you need to wait for dhcp rebind aka t2 aka 87.5% of lease time. If you get a 24 hour lease that's a really long time. Otherwise a short lease time puts even more load and chattyness on the network.

PPPoE FTW!!

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#1314714 30-May-2015 17:08

BarTender:
michaelmurfy:
deadlyllama: MyRepublic and Compass do untagged, with DHCP. MyRepublic are CGNAT and charge a one-off $20 fee for a static, public IP.

Is Bigpipe untagged-with-PPPoE or untagged-with-DHCP? The former places much more load on your router's CPU.

Untagged with PPPoE IIRC.

I would be very concerned if PPPoE puts any more load on a router than DHCP/IPoE. Yes you have a 90 second heartbeat but that is so inconsequential.

The main issue is mtu of 1492 vs 1500. But almost all modern cpe support mtu of 1508 on pppoe.

I way prefer pppoe over ipoe as pppoe means you can disconnect and reconnect quickly should the isp need to do something without impacting your service.

Otherwise with ipoe/dhcp you need to wait for dhcp rebind aka t2 aka 87.5% of lease time. If you get a 24 hour lease that's a really long time. Otherwise a short lease time puts even more load and chattyness on the network.

PPPoE FTW!!

PPPoE has always placed more load on a router compared to DHCP. Since PPP uses simple encryption on the connection. The extra processing load was never an issue for dialup and ADSL. But now that UFB and other fast connections are widely available. It is now becoming an issue, such as in http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=39&topicid=173449 (CPU load varies with amount of data being transferred, so the problem appears to be a speed cap from the end users point of view).

But the OP in the above thread didn't like being told that the Spark supplied Huawei router is faster than their Cisco router.

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