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#2576262 30-Sep-2020 07:52

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Its up to the developers they have to pay for it. Chorus wont do it for free nor will the tax payer as that money only covers existing addresses

Noted that the rollout funds only cover existing addresses - I didn't exactly know that. I guess that's where this falls down since, as mentioned by others, the developers won't fork out for it if there is still a strong market for their properties. So much for driving change consistent throughout the country! My current house has had Vodafone cable for years and early this year I had the offer of a free fibre install without the obligation to utilise right away which I accepted, just in case sometime in the future I wish to change (though now I may move out before that happens). Even though I had a high speed service in my 95 year old house they gave me another one, so it is ironic that a modern and otherwise high quality housing development ends up with an telecommunications connection that is almost obsolete.

Kiwishare when Telecom was privatised in the 90s states that each household in New Zealand is entitled to a basic phone service, the delivery of that service is up to the providers which could mean FWA

The only way to drive this change is talk to your council, and get them to make a requirement that any new developed lad must have access to fibre before it can be occupied (known as a certificate of occupancy)

Hamilton City Council is the only council I know doing this (to some degree)

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#2586195 16-Oct-2020 11:15

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Kiwishare when Telecom was privatised in the 90s states that each household in New Zealand is entitled to a basic phone service, the delivery of that service is up to the providers which could mean FWA

The only way to drive this change is talk to your council, and get them to make a requirement that any new developed lad must have access to fibre before it can be occupied (known as a certificate of occupancy)

Hamilton City Council is the only council I know doing this (to some degree)

The government should cover this under building levies/fees, councils do this for their infrastructure. Well at least QLDC has a development contribution levy.

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#2586238 16-Oct-2020 11:33

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IMO no subdivisions should be done without UFB from the designated LFC being available at every property for a free install once the house is built. If someone is installing copper they might have problems when people move in and all the retailers say no thanks to selling it to them.

Exactly my view.

if a developer is going in and going oh, fibre isn't needed wireless can be used.

that's basically like going oh, we don't need to run power, you can just all run solar.

what works for one person, doesn't work for the next.

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#2586261 16-Oct-2020 12:47

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The only way to drive this change is talk to your council, and get them to make a requirement that any new developed lad must have access to fibre before it can be occupied (known as a certificate of occupancy)

One of the best ways, though not the _only_ way.

Another way is for us to stop buying properties on new subdivisions without fibre access. Long shot probably. Though I know I would not be interested in a subdvision that didnt have fibre access if surrounding areas did. I'd definitely be factoring in the cost of installing fibre to the price I'd be prepared to pay for the house or land.

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#2586395 16-Oct-2020 17:39

hio77:

richms:

IMO no subdivisions should be done without UFB from the designated LFC being available at every property for a free install once the house is built. If someone is installing copper they might have problems when people move in and all the retailers say no thanks to selling it to them.

Exactly my view.

if a developer is going in and going oh, fibre isn't needed wireless can be used.

that's basically like going oh, we don't need to run power, you can just all run solar.

what works for one person, doesn't work for the next.

Bang on the money here

Fibre is an essential infrastructure service like Power, Water, Waste

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#2586396 16-Oct-2020 17:39

nzkc:

nztim:

The only way to drive this change is talk to your council, and get them to make a requirement that any new developed lad must have access to fibre before it can be occupied (known as a certificate of occupancy)

One of the best ways, though not the _only_ way.

Another way is for us to stop buying properties on new subdivisions without fibre access. Long shot probably. Though I know I would not be interested in a subdvision that didnt have fibre access if surrounding areas did. I'd definitely be factoring in the cost of installing fibre to the price I'd be prepared to pay for the house or land.

That could work but with more people needed houses demand is in the developers favour

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#2586403 16-Oct-2020 18:11

nzkc:

nztim:

The only way to drive this change is talk to your council, and get them to make a requirement that any new developed lad must have access to fibre before it can be occupied (known as a certificate of occupancy)

One of the best ways, though not the _only_ way.

Another way is for us to stop buying properties on new subdivisions without fibre access. Long shot probably. Though I know I would not be interested in a subdvision that didnt have fibre access if surrounding areas did. I'd definitely be factoring in the cost of installing fibre to the price I'd be prepared to pay for the house or land.

But people will buy in regardless that's the NZ housing market, then it will be up to the taxpayer (and or other customers of the Telco's) to fund the more costly installations later. It's a bloody arse backwards way of doing it. Putting in the ducts is cheap as chips whilst everything's dug up.

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#2586469 16-Oct-2020 23:33

The ducts are one thing, but fibre also needs to be available in the street. No point putting in tonnes of ducts if fibre's not at the boundary.

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#2586737 17-Oct-2020 19:43

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The ducts are one thing, but fibre also needs to be available in the street. No point putting in tonnes of ducts if fibre's not at the boundary.

Ducts can still hold copper if need be until the street is upgraded.

Most I have seen however make their own streets as part of the process, so it only has to be at the main road.

Hmmmm

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#2586834 17-Oct-2020 23:20

Copper needs to be in the street as well - I've heard of (a few) where there's neither copper nor fibre.

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#2590663 23-Oct-2020 11:10

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There are suburbs near carterton that have neither copper or fibre and its FWA or WISP only.
TBH this is crazy and should be a requirement before the council to grant a certificate of occupancy

Most councils just have a rule that states telecommunications services must be avaliable at the property boundary.

A certificate from a fixed wireless provider is enough - most are happy if the inspector comes out and confirms he has cellphone coverage.

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#2591048 23-Oct-2020 22:40

raytaylor:
sbiddle:

There are suburbs near carterton that have neither copper or fibre and its FWA or WISP only.
TBH this is crazy and should be a requirement before the council to grant a certificate of occupancy

Most councils just have a rule that states telecommunications services must be avaliable at the property boundary.

A certificate from a fixed wireless provider is enough - most are happy if the inspector comes out and confirms he has cellphone coverage.

That is crazy!

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#2591049 23-Oct-2020 23:13

Yeap, and then who ends up paying when their realise that the streets in the area should had had fibre installed. Sometime the lack of common sense begs belief.

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#2591051 23-Oct-2020 23:15

We were only the 2nd people to move into into a new house on a new development in June of this year.

We managed to get the house connected to the fibre the day before we moved in.

While sewage, electricity and mains water were connected and available before we moved in, other services like NZ Post, NZ Herald and Google Maps didn't recognise the address for a couple of weeks.

Still waiting for the local council rubbish collection to start door-to-door collection... currently we have to drag our wheelie bin to the top of the street.

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#2591082 24-Oct-2020 04:27

hio77:

richms:

IMO no subdivisions should be done without UFB from the designated LFC being available at every property for a free install once the house is built. If someone is installing copper they might have problems when people move in and all the retailers say no thanks to selling it to them.

Exactly my view.

if a developer is going in and going oh, fibre isn't needed wireless can be used.

that's basically like going oh, we don't need to run power, you can just all run solar.

what works for one person, doesn't work for the next.

Well I've heard that if at least five residents (homeowners) of a development without UFB access sign up for Fibre NorthPower will cover expenses for trenching and/or overhead cable.

Was mentioned to me by a couple residential clients, at different times in different parts of Kaipara. You'd prob know better than I would?

If this is true then I can see why developers would be reluctant to undertake the work themselves.

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