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#2776315 11-Sep-2021 10:57

traderstu:

wellygary:

Trenching 400 metres with a walk behind trencher sounds like hard work

Actually, in my experience it's not too bad. With flat ground and good soil (no rocks or rubbish) you should get it done with a half day hire.

That aside, is this a good thread to pose the question: why does it cost so much? Could someone in the know give a breakdown ie the component parts of the actual works and materials and I would expect an admin overhead. The figures quoted here regularly seem astronomical.

And further, is there an "economy of scale" case where savings can be made? For example, a rural situation where the fibre runs along the road, but say 6 somewhat spread out properties are only serviced by copper. (I was once in this situation, not any longer, thankfully)

You hit the point for me, why is it so much ha. Seems excessive.

Bearing in mind we don't have to pay for traffic control or anything like that since it's private land and all.

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#2776317 11-Sep-2021 10:58

olivernz:

Starlink an option? Would be a LOT cheaper if not quite the same. Depends on use I guess.

Yeah its an option, a neighbour signed up to that and perhaps a good option.

Cheaper Im not sure - compared to 80k lol yes it is. But that's why Im looking at whats needed to do it myself to reduce costs.

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#2776318 11-Sep-2021 11:00

cyril7:

Hi, so you say the road is private, how close to the neighbours with fibre do you own.

Cyril

The people who have fibre are actually on the private road. It's just a twist of fate of the RBI model it cuts through the middle (actually not really, their properties I believe have utility addresses on the main road so that's what the coverage map probably took into account.

The next road up is council and it serves about 1.2km down the road but no further, missing the other half.

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#2776319 11-Sep-2021 11:03

dryburn:

I'm in a similar situation, I'm 50-100 meters away from an ETP that provides fibre to a school next door. I have tried getting a connection from the ETP or a second connection on the ONT multiple times but was never successful. It's so super frustrating knowing that it's so close but can't get fibre! Is there anyone from chorus that could help? Even blowing another fibre connection down the same tube?

I checked that, there is no capacity in the current conduit for fibre (frustrating as this subdivision while having new houses, is actually quite old so fibre wasn't a thing perhaps in the planning)

And it's not an easy lay of conduit through the underground pressure trenching because its not really straight at all - lots of twists and bends.

I spoke to a contractor who does this work for Chorus (i.e. its who Chorus would use in this area) and they are the ones who gave me $80k (albeit for the full road)

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#2776320 11-Sep-2021 11:06

Jase2985:

a fair chunk of the cost will be "traffic management" but seeing as chorus wont give you a break down because its "commercially sensitive" there is no what to know.

This quote shouldn't have that, was clear to the guy we don't need that on our road since it's not public and I organise things for everyone when we do road repairs etc Apparently it's because of all the twists and turns in the road which means manual trenching hence why I was looking at a self-propelled trencher myself.

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#2776321 11-Sep-2021 11:07

afe66: But then again if chorus prices are so ridiculous where are the competing companies offering cheaper installations.

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#2776323 11-Sep-2021 11:09

Jase2985:

afe66: But then again if chorus prices are so ridiculous where are the competing companies offering cheaper installations.

The problem is they have no access to chorus infrastructure to connect it up. Would chorus even allow this?

Apparently so - the guys who quoted the trenching said I can do pretty much anything I want on my own road but then need to get Chorus in to connect to the main lines and then from my junction box to the house. My junction<>house is modern and they said they will have no problem feeding fibre through there - its just getting it to my curb which is the problem

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#2776326 11-Sep-2021 11:12

raytaylor:

Chorus only quotes for the cost to get the fiber to the border of your property.
So call an ISP - usually smaller ones are better at this and ask them to create a new address point in the chorus system. Then ask for an "NGA on Application" quote request.

An estimate will come back after a few days. If the estimate is good then place the order, and get the trench laid between the roadside and the house.

Assume an extra $2-5k for the internal materials and labour if you are going to open the trench yourself.

As it is such a long run, they may need to add an extra splice enclosure as with your 400m driveway, it may be too far to blow from the cabinet or pit.

Often when fiber is "laid" its only the ducts. There is quite a bit involved in connecting it back to the exchange. I was quoted $21k a couple of weeks ago for a customer who wants a CCTV camera at their gate.
The fiber trunk ducts run past my customer's house on the opposite side of the road, towards a new subdivision.

Thank you - will try this and see what it comes to.

Just to clarify its about 400m along the road from my curb to the neighbours with fibre. My driveway itself isn't that long if that is what your point is about?

I have friends who literally have fibre running past their house in Helensville and they have been quoted $20k to tap in. I'm hoping this is not the case for me since two people already have junctions off the main line in my road already.

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#2776332 11-Sep-2021 11:24

Well if you're that keen, ask for an NGA on Application quote so you can get something specific for your address. Speak to your internet provider and they can start the process for you.

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#2776333 11-Sep-2021 11:25

Its usually not a "tap-in".

At one camera site, we got charged $8k to go from the fiber pit that was serving a fiber-connected school.
From that pit it was only 12 metres to a camera recording cabinet along the property boundary.

The reason the cost was so high was all the traffic control, blowing and splicing required to get back to the exchange via the empty microducts. Work that we didnt see happen, but still had to happen.

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#2776342 11-Sep-2021 12:28

Can anybody from the public drive up the road or is it gated?

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#2776349 11-Sep-2021 12:43

It cost me $14k to get connected and the fibre runs past our place on our side of the road.
They dug a pit on the front verge and spliced into one of the 12 fibres and run a conduit under ground about 1m to the old phone pole in our fence line.
No traffic management needed.
Up that pole to a small box and then the fibre from there is a single run from the top of the pole over our front lawn to the house, in through the eve and all the way to the ont in a back room.

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#2776484 11-Sep-2021 18:18

Jase2985:

Can anybody from the public drive up the road or is it gated?

Public access, just not council owned.

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#2776485 11-Sep-2021 18:19

CYaBro: It cost me $14k to get connected and the fibre runs past our place on our side of the road.
They dug a pit on the front verge and spliced into one of the 12 fibres and run a conduit under ground about 1m to the old phone pole in our fence line.
No traffic management needed.
Up that pole to a small box and then the fibre from there is a single run from the top of the pole over our front lawn to the house, in through the eve and all the way to the ont in a back room.

Yesh, 14k. I think Starlink is looking better and better

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#2776494 11-Sep-2021 18:49

Dreaver:

Jase2985:

Can anybody from the public drive up the road or is it gated?

Public access, just not council owned.

then you will likely require traffic management from chorus

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