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#115229 18-Mar-2013 16:58

I'd be interested to know what Make/Model router your UFB provider is handing out as part of the service...

Snap uses the Fritz!
Orcon has their Genius

Are you connected to UFB with a different ISP? What have you got?

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#783544 18-Mar-2013 17:27

A couple of smaller ISPs - I can't really say which - are supplying our Vigor2130n. It's OpenWRT-based with 900Mbps WAN throughput (so easily able to handle UFB speeds).

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#783549 18-Mar-2013 17:46

I'm using a PFsense with a manages switch for Orcon. Works fine but their VLAN tagging is a bit annoying!

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#783552 18-Mar-2013 18:02

theEd: A couple of smaller ISPs - I can't really say which - are supplying our Vigor2130n. It's OpenWRT-based with 900Mbps WAN throughput (so easily able to handle UFB speeds).

That's a pretty hi-spec'd router for an ISP to use, are they giving them away or is it on 12/24 month contracts only?

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#783555 18-Mar-2013 18:15

CYaBro: That's a pretty hi-spec'd router for an ISP to use, are they giving them away or is it on 12/24 month contracts only?

Probably for use on business plans... depends whether this thread is about residential only or both residential and business plans.

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#783574 18-Mar-2013 18:49

I'd be looking at a Mikrotik RB750GL and Unifi radios.

A single AP in most homes is not enough to get decent coverage with high speed with wifi.

As transmit power goes up, speed goes down.

So if you've got devices on the other side of the building from a single AP then they're having to up the power... which also drains the battery on your mobile devices faster.

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#783592 18-Mar-2013 19:18

yitz:
CYaBro: That's a pretty hi-spec'd router for an ISP to use, are they giving them away or is it on 12/24 month contracts only?
Probably for use on business plans... depends whether this thread is about residential only or both residential and business plans.

Not sure, would guess it's either for their business customers only, or they're locking them down to contracts.

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#783607 18-Mar-2013 19:41

A number have been using Cisco SRP521's for trials.

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#783608 18-Mar-2013 19:47

DonGould: I'd be looking at a Mikrotik RB750GL and Unifi radios.

IMHO neither are a realistic option for an ISP deployment in a home.

RouterOS isn't user friendly enough to enable somebody to do something as simple as a port forward and has no capability to do any form of remote management via TR069 or similar. This means it's a totally unscalable solution.

Deploying Unifi's means somebody on the premises has to have the UniFi software deployed on a PC just to change their network settings. If you were also going to use the AP in the Mikrotik that also needs to be changed via Winbox or SSH at the same time.

Both are great products, but far from ever being a solution for a mass market residential CPE solution unless you're willing to charge customers big $$ and provide them a fully managed service where you support all network changes for them.

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#783621 18-Mar-2013 20:25

DonGould: I'd be looking at a Mikrotik RB750GL and Unifi radios.

A single AP in most homes is not enough to get decent coverage with high speed with wifi.

As transmit power goes up, speed goes down.

So if you've got devices on the other side of the building from a single AP then they're having to up the power... which also drains the battery on your mobile devices faster.

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As Biddle said.. Mikrotiks aren't that easy for end users to config but they work 100% for UFB if you know what you are doing.

The RB750GL would be great for a 30/10 service but for a 100/50 service it is just a little bit slow to handle the speeds. The Unifi's work great as well and I would suggest getting a Unifi Pro. I can easily max out my UFB 100/50 connection connected via a Unifi and Mikrotik.

The good thing about the Mikrotik is it is small and fits into my wall mounted Cabinet well. I have SPA-122 for Voice with very good quality as well.

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#783630 18-Mar-2013 21:02

LennonNZ:
DonGould: I'd be looking at a Mikrotik RB750GL and Unifi radios.

A single AP in most homes is not enough to get decent coverage with high speed with wifi.

As transmit power goes up, speed goes down.

So if you've got devices on the other side of the building from a single AP then they're having to up the power... which also drains the battery on your mobile devices faster.

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As Biddle said.. Mikrotiks aren't that easy for end users to config but they work 100% for UFB if you know what you are doing.

The RB750GL would be great for a 30/10 service but for a 100/50 service it is just a little bit slow to handle the speeds. The Unifi's work great as well and I would suggest getting a Unifi Pro. I can easily max out my UFB 100/50 connection connected via a Unifi and Mikrotik.

The good thing about the Mikrotik is it is small and fits into my wall mounted Cabinet well. I have SPA-122 for Voice with very good quality as well.

Ok my point really was that an 'all in one' is just a waste of time unless you're living in a little box. Sure, Auckland apartments they're great, after that... get back to me.

RB's are getting better in terms of a quick web set up screen, but yes I agree, they really need a managed solution and there isn't a TR-069 solution at present.

Unifi, again agree, it's not a Disk Smith solution, but I didn't realise that was the question being asked.

But a home theater is not a simple DSE solution either, it's something that you call someone to come and set up properly for you or you invest lots of your own time to build it properly.

Decent RB and Unifi solution is going to need GeeksOnWheels to come set up properly for you, so does a digital TV antenna for most people.

They're then going to need a home server or a cloud based VPS to manage it.

With the unifi controller they can make their own changes to all the radios quickly enough and if the controller is in the same layer 2 domain or set up on layer 3 properly with option 41 then that's really not a drama.

If you're going to invest $1100 in an iPad3, $1100 in an iPhone4 and what ever in a notebook then why wouldn't you invest just a few dollars in making the 1's and 0's get to it properly?!

Edit: Some of this is like buying a $3,000 TV then putting rabbit ears on it!

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#783690 18-Mar-2013 22:57

Personally i would go the microtik way.
Although i dont use microtik on our microwave network, we use another brand and still manage the routers for the customers.

I have the following scheme that works well

Routers lan address is 10.1.1.1
Slave AP is 10.1.1.2 (they can order a pre-programmed secondary ap from us if they want)
Voice ATAs are 10.1.1.4/5
DHCP range is 10.1.1.20 to 10.1.1.45
DMZ is 10.1.1.254
Upnp is enabled.

Any software that needs a port forward can do it via Upnp or if you want to manage your own port forwards, you buy your own router and set its wan address to 10.1.1.254 and do everything yourself. If you want your own ip scheme then you also do that behind your own router.

I force all our clients to use the same internal ip scheme where possible so that telephone troubleshooting is much easier.

So a microtik would suit most people - though it would be nice if it had a web page with a status screen so a customer can see the statistics and if ports are plugged in / speed etc.

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#783709 18-Mar-2013 23:45

raytaylor:
So a microtik would suit most people - though it would be nice if it had a web page with a status screen so a customer can see the statistics and if ports are plugged in / speed etc.

RB OS has a web interface, you won't have to just use SSH or WinBox.

You can even customise bits of it iirc, though I haven't actually played with that.

It's also got a whole bunch of graphs that you can set up on interfaces if you want to.

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#783729 19-Mar-2013 01:32

Im with PlaNet/Kci on their 10/30 unlimited and was supplied with a mikrotik router board. it took me a bit to get my head around some of the settings like enbling dmz etc...

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#783738 19-Mar-2013 07:15

sbiddle: A number have been using Cisco SRP521's for trials.

That reminds me Mr Biddle, I need to send you down the replacement box for the SRP521 to take a look at if your still interested, and its not any of these devices or is it ???

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#783803 19-Mar-2013 10:22

Getting off track but the new Unifi v3 controller is multi tenanted so could sit at the ISP and manage many many sites. There is a beta of it on the ubnt forums...

On track, Fritzbox is such an awesome unit. I think the the best for the home user. But needs separate WAP.

Cisco SRP5xx series for the business user as it is more about the routing and network rather than cool features that you dont need in the business situation as there are better solutions already in place.

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