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#13606 19-May-2007 21:36
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I like the sounds of the whole, fast as u can go internet, but it's only a half pie job as the upload/return speeds are dead slow.

Do you think the upload speeds will be going up in the next few months, or will be still be hard up with telecoms stiff vision of the rules.

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  #71341 19-May-2007 21:54
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Nah, I don't think so. The internet in this country is not going to improve much for a while because it is not something that the government really cares about.

They may seem like they do, but they don't. They care more about anti- smacking and slapping ridiculous taxes on Auckland drivers.

Now to get back on task, I hope that it improves because fast internet is amazing but I don't think that it will. Unfortunately, this countries telephone lines aren't good enough to handle high speed internet.

Oh well.




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#71358 20-May-2007 08:56
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hellonearthisman: Do you think the upload speeds will be going up in the next few months, or will be still be hard up with telecoms stiff vision of the rules.


Hmmm. "Telecom's stiff vision of the rules"... What about the other players? There isn't anything preventing them doing investments. Look at TelstraClear for example.

Easy to blame on Telecom, but the way I see things it's always like "hey, I am a provider, I want to be able to place my equiment somewhere near the customer, but I am not keen on investing in infrastructure - let the big one do it for us and if anything is wrong, complain to the regulators".


Why don't we see other companies investing?







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  #71360 20-May-2007 09:15
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adsl 1 is still a completely viable broadband technology, and we do get very close to max upload speed on non rate-limited plans (i.e. fs/fs). the experience of average joe bloggs punter in the past has been that of wanting higher download speed thab upload. that may have changed for more and more people recently, but its not a big enough change to ditch all that investment while its still returning good money, and besides, NGN is being built as we speak, and ADSL2 is on its way, albeit slowly by the looks of things.

don't forget the myriad other providers with different access methods such as cable or wireless or fiber or ethernet that do offer high speed upload...









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#71361 20-May-2007 09:47
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Exactly my point. Don't like your current DSL provider? In some areas you can get satellite, WiMax, WCDMA TDD, cable modem, HSDPA, EVDO Rev A and more.

There are alternatives, some cost more or less. Cost will be directly proportional to the benefits you achieve, like everything else.

I have to say though that for some people 1GB is enough - even 5GB is enough and a $49/month plan for 1GB over HSDPA or CDMA EVDO Rev A sounds like a good solution, where available.









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  #71484 21-May-2007 11:41
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Hi all - what about satellite??

I know, I know expensive to install and expensive per month, but take a look at what some suppliers are offering - $500 install and 2Mbps down, 1Mbps up 3GB cap $69 per month - it is getting there and its available anywhere in NZ.

Give this service time and it will become competitive - especially as more ISP's sign up for the IPSTAR service

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Gollam: Hi all - what about satellite??

I know, I know expensive to install and expensive per month, but take a look at what some suppliers are offering - $500 install and 2Mbps down, 1Mbps up 3GB cap $69 per month - it is getting there and its available anywhere in NZ.

Give this service time and it will become competitive - especially as more ISP's sign up for the IPSTAR service

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Yes but the latency is a dog, there is no amount of technology which will improve that in the near future.

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  #71683 22-May-2007 13:56
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I agree about the latency - but this is only really an issue when on-line gaming, other applications such as streaming and downloading/browesing don't realy suffer (as the lag is only really seen when directly interacting online). Even VoIP such as Skype seem to work OK, and given the greater speed up and down surely this makes it worth while??

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Gollam: Even VoIP such as Skype seem to work OK, and given the greater speed up and down surely this makes it worth while??

I wouldn't agree with you there...

A while ago, someone here tried VFX over IPSTAR but it didn't work out too well as I recall.

Skype has a huge amount of latency (around 0.5 sec within NZ) to start with, and by adding the extra lag of a satellite link, it is going to be almost like talking to someone on the moon Surprised -- well slight exaggeration, but you get the idea...

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  #71898 23-May-2007 14:22
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Hi all

I would be really interested to see any feedback / results from someone who has worked with VFX or Skype over a satellite connection here in NZ, especially using the new IPSTAR satellite as the service providers such as Orcon claim that the latency is less then 700ms

As for the delays with Skype - I remember some talk that Telecom delay these types of IP packets to keep a competitive edge...

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  #72921 31-May-2007 00:09
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Americancars: Nah, I don't think so. The internet in this country is not going to improve much for a while because it is not something that the government really cares about.

They may seem like they do, but they don't. They care more about anti- smacking and slapping ridiculous taxes on Auckland drivers.

Now to get back on task, I hope that it improves because fast internet is amazing but I don't think that it will. Unfortunately, this countries telephone lines aren't good enough to handle high speed internet.

Oh well.


hmm if the votes are won and lost on internet and speed (erm autobahn style highways built throughout the country) maybe i should form a new party called the geeks and speeders party and get some say!!! jk!!! but maybe one of you might?




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Gollam: Hi all

I would be really interested to see any feedback / results from someone who has worked with VFX or Skype over a satellite connection here in NZ, especially using the new IPSTAR satellite as the service providers such as Orcon claim that the latency is less then 700ms

As for the delays with Skype - I remember some talk that Telecom delay these types of IP packets to keep a competitive edge...

Gollam


I remember when the IPSTAR guys came in to give us a demonstration of the stuff, the latency was around 400-600ms. Personally, I hate having anything over about 80ms for voip - let alone IPTV as the IPSTAR guys said they wanted to offer in the near future.

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  #73003 31-May-2007 12:37
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joker97:

hmm if the votes are won and lost on internet and speed (erm autobahn style highways built throughout the country) maybe i should form a new party called the geeks and speeders party and get some say!!! jk!!! but maybe one of you might?


I would vote for you. I dream of the day when we can drive as fast as we like and use the internet at nearly the same speeds.

I think that the "geeks and speeders" party would probably have much better ideas than some of our current parties. For once, we would have a party which understands what allot people want.

If the privatization of telephone providers wasn't so botched, this country could have had much better internet. The main centers of New Zealand aren't that big. If when privatized, Telecom had started installing fiberoptic networks throughout the main cities and then moved out into the country, we could all have fiberoptic internet to our homes.

If you think about how much New Zealand has grown in the last 10- 20 years, it would be much harder to put fiberoptic in now, than 20 years ago.




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