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#146900 2-Jun-2014 11:11
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When getting UFB installed, who decides where the ONT is installed? Does the customer/user have the final say or does the Service Company get to install it wherever they want?
Reason I ask is because I have heard some horror stories about Fibre installers forcing the modem to be installed in an location unsuitable for wifi signal propagation such as a garage on the opposite side of the house from where the computers are located.

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  #1057846 2-Jun-2014 11:14
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You do within reason.

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  #1057870 2-Jun-2014 11:48
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Would within reason include prefering the garage 20 from the road rather than 5 meters to a tiny bedroom ?

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  #1057871 2-Jun-2014 11:49
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Reason I ask is because I have heard some horror stories about Fibre installers forcing the modem to be installed in an location unsuitable for wifi signal propagation such as a garage on the opposite side of the house from where the computers are located.


Umm I dont know who has been telling these horror stores but the positioning of the ONT (which is the modem part of the two devices for UFB) has nothing to do with Wifi delivery nor the connection to computers -  that would be handled by/from a Router device (the second device) either supplied by the provider or customer (known as the RGW - Residentual GateWay) and the positioning of this unit is up to the Customer and can be anyware (generaly needs power) . The end user hasve to pay for any additional cableing required to connect it back to the ONT if it isnt being installed in close proximity to the ONT.

Generaly the ONT is not installed in bedrooms due to the amount of light (flashing off the LEDS)




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  #1057877 2-Jun-2014 11:58
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afe66: Would within reason include prefering the garage 20 from the road rather than 5 meters to a tiny bedroom ?

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that would also depend on the distance from the ETP conduiting location to thse points (and pathways from it) and not just the direct distance from the road



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  #1057903 2-Jun-2014 12:43
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kingjj: You do within reason.

Makes sense. I can imagine lots of important factors (Technician, landscaping etc) come into play, here. Thanks for the reply.

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Would within reason include prefering the garage 20 from the road rather than 5 meters to a tiny bedroom ?

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Yeah the initial position of the ONT is very influential in wireless performance.
InstallerUFB:

Reason I ask is because I have heard some horror stories about Fibre installers forcing the modem to be installed in an location unsuitable for wifi signal propagation such as a garage on the opposite side of the house from where the computers are located.


Umm I dont know who has been telling these horror stores but the positioning of the ONT (which is the modem part of the two devices for UFB) has nothing to do with Wifi delivery nor the connection to computers -  that would be handled by/from a Router device (the second device) either supplied by the provider or customer (known as the RGW - Residentual GateWay) and the positioning of this unit is up to the Customer and can be anyware (generaly needs power) . The end user hasve to pay for any additional cableing required to connect it back to the ONT if it isnt being installed in close proximity to the ONT.

Generaly the ONT is not installed in bedrooms due to the amount of light (flashing off the LEDS)


Thanks for the reply and sorry for my poor choice of words. You're very right, extra cable can be laid if the customer isn't happy with where the ONT is placed and wants the router closer etc. My opinion/reasoning regarding my question is: The ONT generally determines where the Wifi modem is located because in a typical end user setup with only the router on hand, like what most have at home, the wifi router is connected direct to the ONT. This is assuming that the user doesn't have use any other wireless extenders etc. So in a simplistic way, the ONT determines where the wifi router is typically set up.

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  #1057907 2-Jun-2014 12:57
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at the end of the if you want the ONT and the RGW where it can provide you with good WiFi propagation you will end up paying for it. the lines company will only give you 10-20m of cabling from the street for free then you pay for the rest



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  #1057953 2-Jun-2014 13:48
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Jase2985: at the end of the if you want the ONT and the RGW where it can provide you with good WiFi propagation you will end up paying for it. the lines company will only give you 10-20m of cabling from the street for free then you pay for the rest

That sounds very reasonable. I suppose, in some situations, 20-30m is enough to reach a convenient location in the house. Thanks for your reply.
In regards to the aforementioned 'horror stories' about Fibre, it is true that all of those problems can be resolved by a little more $$$ for cabling or a wifi extender or a better router. It is helpful to know what to expect in regards to how far the LFC can install cable without additional costs incurred to the user.

 
 
 
 


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Jase2985: at the end of the if you want the ONT and the RGW where it can provide you with good WiFi propagation you will end up paying for it. the lines company will only give you 10-20m of cabling from the street for free then you pay for the rest


Given the choice I would rather have the connection going to my garage where there is much more unused space where I could also put a NAS, uninteruptable power supply, switches and cables which I would run back into my house. Ok with having to buy a wifi access point for within the house.

(BIG advantage of using the garage is its less likely to burn down being of concrete block rather than 1918 (very very dry seasoned) wooden villa..)

If they wont put the cabling to the garage, I'll build a small server room under the house (also under the small bedroom) for the gear.. Would have to pour concrete and put up some walls as under the house is bare soil so quite dusty but the ceiling is 2m high under there....not so fireproof though..


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  #1058106 2-Jun-2014 17:06
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afe66: Would within reason include prefering the garage 20 from the road rather than 5 meters to a tiny bedroom ?

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that would also depend on the distance from the ETP conduiting location to thse points (and pathways from it) and not just the direct distance from the road



Interesting.

I live corner of a side street and a larger road. Would this mean the cable might run from the larger road into the "side" of my section rather than from the street which has got my gate on it ?

Having said that I would prefer it came from my gate as there wont be much fun drilling though the rock garden at the side of the house.

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  #1058139 2-Jun-2014 18:40
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afe66:
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afe66: Would within reason include prefering the garage 20 from the road rather than 5 meters to a tiny bedroom ?

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that would also depend on the distance from the ETP conduiting location to thse points (and pathways from it) and not just the direct distance from the road



Interesting.

I live corner of a side street and a larger road. Would this mean the cable might run from the larger road into the "side" of my section rather than from the street which has got my gate on it ?

Having said that I would prefer it came from my gate as there wont be much fun drilling though the rock garden at the side of the house.

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Where does your existing copper connection come in ? is it in conduit or overhead?  if yes either of these then 90% of the time your fibre connection is planned to go to the same place.

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  #1058173 2-Jun-2014 20:00
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Copper phone line come in from street where my gate is overhead from a pole which supplies the 4 houses on my street.

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PS.

I'll probably be digging up the concerted drive to get drainage installed.

It is worth laying pipe for the fibre conduit at the same time ? Would I have to make educated guess where the street conduit would run ?



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  #1058239 2-Jun-2014 21:09
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It is standard practice in new houses to have a hills homehub in the garage. You then can run a cat5 cable from your ONT inside the homehub (or in the garage) to wherever you want to position your router in the house.

I am getting a ufb dark fibre install next month and have nominated it to be in the garage, where I will have a router, and a couple of home plugs allowing a wireless access point at each end of the house.

But yes most installers will allow you to get it installed to a position of your choosing, which isnt always the best for futureproofing.
Eg. If you get it installed into an office, you need to ask yourself how you plan on getting tv through it in 10 years time. Running a cat5 cable between the office and the tv in the lounge might not be very easy.
It might have been better to get it installed in the lounge, and run homeplugs to the office which would not require as much bandwidth.




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  #1058248 2-Jun-2014 21:21
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As many have pointed out. Its retro fitted to an existing house. I have come across people who dont understand that and think it will just be where they want it. Simply not the case. But yes. To the most suitable place for your needs. (most customers dont even know what their needs are so they just say there or let Chorus do whats needed)

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  #1058300 3-Jun-2014 02:26
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A Geekzone Wifi extension guide I found around here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9U9Djx0lcSIVEtCenM0OUd2QXM/edit

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f you follow the same principals in the doc linked above you can set up your wireless router regardless of where the ONT is installed via. powerline or (<100m) ethernet-linked access point (I don't believe in the wireless range extenders).

The only con to this is possibly having to spend an extra ~$100 on the equipment and potentially a few holes drilled around the house to feed cables through the attic/under the house/new wall socket for the cat5 cable, but it's a small price to pay for a lot less frustration in regards to reception issues.

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Thats an older version of the PDF i was writing
The newer one is here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9U9Djx0lcSIbE1JMnBFcGhpTzg




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