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#16979 6-Nov-2007 22:31

Greetings all, my first post here. 

A little backgroud on me. I have been playing online games since 1997 (Ultima Online) and have been using DSL since 1999 (Brisbane, Australia).

A year ago I regularly had 2 game accounts on separate computers simultaneously logged into a German server (Neocron2) while running Ventrilo client for voice. I had to cancel the subscriptions to that game and my PlanetSide subs as the games became unplayable due to packet loss. Stalls, warping, stuttering, connection error notices, disconnections - the obvious symptoms that your UDP packets are not flowing between server and client nicely at all. To date, I have the same symptoms when trying to play Team Fortress 2 on NZ servers when routed through 202.50.236.114. Unfortunately all my off-shore data and a lot of local data is routed through that node.


Before posting I searched this site for that IP address (2 results)

1 http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=49&TopicId=14905 26 July - 24 August, 07: DaveLister (Xtra) has issues & shiver (Xtra) sees about 63% to 92.3% packet loss.

2 http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=39&TopicId=16097 24 September, 07: barf (Xtra) shows a trace with 30% packet loss.

I have been having an issue with this node, router, or whatever you care to call it, for too long now. Up until 10 months ago it was as consistant as any on Telecom's networks but, after a period of intermittent and ever increasing periods of packet loss it now rarely responds appropriately to traces. I have repeatedly raised the issue with Xtra and believe, having done all they could to prove it is not within Xtra's network (including switching my line from a DSLAM to an ISAM) have told me their is not really any more they can do. 

It is the first hop on GGIS, immediately outside xtra.co.nz. Telecom owns GGIS. Telecom owns Xtra. It has taken 10 months to get some reciprocal communication and an acknowledgement from Xtra Advanced Broadband Team that that there is a problem. They claim they can do no more to rectify it. I hope that they have brought the matter to the attention of the GGIS network people but fear that there is as bad a lack of open communication between them as there is between Xtra and it's customers.

I was informed that the data I have submitted was, by itself, not enough and that, in order get the matter eacalated, I should find other subscribers who could also submit data as evidence of the problem.

I have 4 months of tracerts plus other data/evidence (including netstats showing 300% retransmits) at http://sqwert.net with a ling ranting main page documenting my despair.

If any readers here can conduct traces that show routing through MDR-IP03e-3-1-0.akbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.236.114] and are willing to email several results to Telecom, please get in touch either by posting here or in the guestbook at sqwert.net.

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Typo in domain name, thanks cokemaster (how embarrasing).


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  #94035 7-Nov-2007 07:56
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Why not change ISP's? You'd almost certainly be routed elsewhere, wouldn't you?

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  #94046 7-Nov-2007 10:21

MikeGayner: Why not change ISP's? You'd almost certainly be routed elsewhere, wouldn't you?

Would I be guaranteed that, or would I merely be adding a middle man? I believe I would be connected to the same hardware.

Further, if it did alter my routing, that would not solve the problem - merely maike it go away for me.  I know there are others out there that are having the same issues. I see their comments on game servers and in forums like this. Unfortunately, many don't know how to conduct a trace or even realise what packet loss is. I want to get the problem fixed and help all of us get the service we are being charged for.



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  #94064 7-Nov-2007 12:27
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Only a handful of ISP's use global gateway as their carrier, you would almost certainly benefit from changing ISP.

This is out of date but can be used as a rough guide:
http://www.ispmap.co.nz

Telstra PDQ or Xnet would be my recommendation.

Personally I would avoid Orcon & Ihug as they seem to be having pretty significant capacity/growth/congestion problems.

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  #94339 8-Nov-2007 20:07

I'd prefer to get them to fix it and not lose my email address. All I want is for them to give me a service that is consistent with what it was for the previous 2 years.

Then again, there's always the option of complaining to the Commerce Commission under the Fair Trading Act...
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Availability of goods
The Act prohibits businesses from advertising goods or services that they know they cannot or may not be able to supply in reasonable quantities.

Internet advertising and transactions
Businesses should take care to ensure all representations made online are accurate and do not mislead potential customers.
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I believe Telecom is in breach of both of the above with it's statement...
"Why Xtra Broadband?
Play games online with opponents all over the world."

As it stands, their service is inadequate for playing games on local servers with 23 other New Zealanders.

The Commerce Commision would be a last resort though, and an admission of failure. I would much rather get a few fellow Aucklanders who are Xtra Broadband customers to help me gather more data to convince telecom to fix their [expletive] network.


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  #94632 11-Nov-2007 03:54
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I think you will find the bare minimum level of service telecom/xtra must provide legally is very low and/or non existent for residential customers.  I don't think you will get far rattling your sabre, but hey I've been wrong in the past. 

Personally I think you will get better/faster results voting with your wallet and changing ISP.

Which leads me to my next point....

Never rely on an isp email address so heavily, it's trivial to go register a domain (they are cheap!) and give the control/power back to yourself.  You get the flexibility to choose where/ with who you host your email and you can have effectively unlimited addresses, space and whatever other features you want and you can change providers for net and email/hosting with relative eas.

Being tied to a ISP providing below average service because you use their email domain sux a big one.

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