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#169797 26-Mar-2015 08:57
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Hello,

I live in an apartment in Auckland CBD, just at the bottom of Parnell Rise to be exact. 
UFB backbone was installed over the Xmas/New Years period.

I booked an install with VF whom were waiting for Chorus who in turn were waiting for consent. 
Consent approved by the owner of the apartment, the actual owner this is. 
I kept the building managers up to date with what was going on, anyway install date came and I had to cancel. The building managers had informed me that no work on common ground was to be done, until an owners committee / body corp meeting was held (19th March)

I received an email from the representative of the BC yesterday stating that:

 

Hi Luke

 

 

 

Thanks for your email.

 

 

 

In regards to the installation of the fiber cabling to your unit the committee has decided that this will jeorpardise the fire rating of the building.

 

 

 

There will be a reminder in the newsletter

 

 

 

 

 

Is this a fob off email??? UFB backbone goes in, then no plan or process though out on how each apartment will actually get fiber. Hmmm
I'll speak to the person who sent me this email and update the post.
What a battle to get UFB... 




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  #1268091 26-Mar-2015 09:01
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UFB Back bone was installed are you sure? I suspect they would not connect an end user to UFB back bone



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  #1268108 26-Mar-2015 09:21
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Hey John,

Yeah it was.

Email below from UCG

 

Hi Luke,

 

 

 

Thanks for your email.

 

 

 

We have completed installation of the UFB Backbone on the site, and I have sent a request to Provisioning Department to update us on the status of Service order for the actual connection to the unit.

 

 

 

Just to sum up how the UFB Network Deployment Process works:

 

 

 

     

  1. Site Assessment runs along with the Consents Process
  2. Design
  3. Construction of UFB Backbone
  4. Completion of Records
  5. Provisioning of the Requestor

 

 

 

I can see that steps 1-4 are completed, so we just need to follow up on Step 5.

 

 

 

Hope this helps Luke, let me know if you have any further questions – will be happy to help.

 

 

 

Regards,

Elena Bychkova
Consents Team Leader






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  #1268124 26-Mar-2015 09:34
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but wouldn't the back bone just be fiber to the comms room? from there they wouldn't run fiber to each individual apartment, they would put your ONT in there?

how is your apartment phone wired?

i wouldnt think they would want to run fibre to individual apartments as this means a heap of new cable runs and as they quiet rightly pointed out can change the fire rating of the building



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  #1268128 26-Mar-2015 09:38
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Chorus came around and did an initial inspection.

Notes state from Service Request Form:

NO CIVIL REQUIRED. INSTALLER TO RUN FIBRE FROM

BUDI , IN CUPBOARD, TO CUSTOMERS APPTM.

UTILISING CEILING MANHOLES ,LIGHT FITTINGS ETC IF

FEASIBLE.NO WORK TO BE STARTED UNTIL BUILDING

MANAGER HAS GIVEN CONSENTS.

Speaking to the Chorus guy who did the initial UFB Backbone said, from the main electrical cupboard in the basement, fiber (all 200 odd lines) is fed up the main duct/conduit and then there is a box on each floor (I assume the BUDI) Then each connection is ran to the apartment. 
SO they got that far then have decided no fiber is to be installed, as no assessment on how to get the fiber to each apartment was ever carried out.






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  #1268131 26-Mar-2015 09:39
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Wow.  I'm presuming the BC fax out their minutes.  Was this decision based on any sort of qualified engineer's assessment of the intended UFB installation, or just a wet finger in the air "Nah, too difficult"?

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  #1268134 26-Mar-2015 09:42
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Please DM the following info to us;

1. Your name & full residential address (appt #, building name, street number, street name, suburb & postcode)
2. The name of your ISP who you placed your UFB order with
3. The name of the Body Corporate contact & their contact ph # (the person who sent you the email stating that provisioning could not proceed.

We can then follow-up with our consent team to see what consent was sought (and granted), who the build company was and what work they have completed in your building, what the state of the provisioning readiness is and what (if anything) is holding up the provisioning of your circuit and what the reference to "fire rating" has got to do with anything.  We can then come back to you via your ISP to confirm what the real state of play is.

^GL

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  #1268146 26-Mar-2015 09:51
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Great one!

Only on Geekzone do you get this assistance.

Anyway, details all sent....

Luke




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  #1268148 26-Mar-2015 09:53
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Why would they consent to (or even request to) have fibre run into the building, then not allow tenants to use it? Yay for Body Corps and their almighty power. And if the building has been constructed in such a way as to prevent expansion/upgrading/maintenance of the utilities without affecting the fire rating, then that's a separate stuff up altogether.




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  #1269317 27-Mar-2015 22:10
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Shindig: Speaking to the Chorus guy who did the initial UFB Backbone said, from the main electrical cupboard in the basement, fiber (all 200 odd lines) is fed up the main duct/conduit and then there is a box on each floor (I assume the BUDI) Then each connection is ran to the apartment. 
SO they got that far then have decided no fiber is to be installed, as no assessment on how to get the fiber to each apartment was ever carried out.


Yup the BUDI is the box on each floor, sounds like in a cupboard in/next to the riser. From there they run fibre out to each apartment. Chorus never put the ONT in the comms room or other communal space, so if the bodycorp expect them to use existing wiring then it won't happen. They are required to reinstate any firewalls penetrated, but it sounds like the building was designed pretty badly.




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  #1273190 30-Mar-2015 09:27
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I got a call from Chorus on Friday. 
They are looking into it for me which is tops! But i'm not holding out.. 

No assessment had been done on the building, but we shall see what the outcome is! 

Does anyone know if there is any grant type scheme a body corp can apply to receive, to assist with the install of UFB??

Luke




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  #1273192 30-Mar-2015 09:32
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Shindig:
Does anyone know if there is any grant type scheme a body corp can apply to receive, to assist with the install of UFB??

Luke


Not that I'm aware of, and I wouldn't see why there would be - it's no different to any other business decisions a Body Corp needs to make such as new wiring, security etc.



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  #1273227 30-Mar-2015 10:13
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Does anyone know if there is any grant type scheme a body corp can apply to receive, to assist with the install of UFB??


I'm fairly sure the "$1000 per tenancy" funding applies, which means if you have 50 units in your building, there's $50,000 available from the Chorus/Government fund.

My building has just over 100 tenancies so I assume they can spend up to $100k on this.

Happily to be corrected if this is untrue; all I know is that all the work done in my building (finished a few weeks ago) didn't cost our Body Corp a cent, and there were Chorus & OCL vans here for 2-3 weeks.

My install (first cab off the rank, I applied for fibre the minute it was available) is scheduled for this week so fingers crossed they don't turn around and say "oops, this isn't gonna work" (the fibre is already down the hall from me in one of the data/water/power cupboards).

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Benjip:
Does anyone know if there is any grant type scheme a body corp can apply to receive, to assist with the install of UFB??


I'm fairly sure the "$1000 per tenancy" funding applies, which means if you have 50 units in your building, there's $50,000 available from the Chorus/Government fund.

My building has just over 100 tenancies so I assume they can spend up to $100k on this.


You are right.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/in-apartments-office-buildings/building-owner-body-corporate/multidwelling-units-consent-and-installs#cs-160232

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An update since the thread was started.

Well not much of an update really, I sent my details to ChorusNZ as requested in the thread. I got a call back from someone at Chrous a day or two later, I have a reference number but missed the guys name.
He said he would look into where the whole consent process was and where it stopped, apparently there is another apartment block in Auckland that is saying the same thing, the UFB install will jeopardise the building fire rating. 
He said he would do some investigation and then get back to me, however a phone call or letter was never received.

I sent a firm email back to the person, from the Body Corp, who had stated to me the UFB install would not go ahead, asking him a fair few questions. We shall see what answers I receive. 

The whole process is a complete joke, I love that I live in one of the major cities in Auckland, I pass the UFB "backbone" infrastructure everyday and yet I have to fight for what is probably about 10-15 meters of glass. 

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  #1286067 17-Apr-2015 09:52
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Fire-stopping small openings through fire walls is simple, usually done with a fire-rated sealant.  Installing concealed horizontal runs above fire-rated ceilings is more of an issue because the ceiling usually has to be opened for access.  But if you're talking about a multi-storey with 200+ lines then I would expect the floor slabs to be masonry, in which case the inter-floor fire rating will be at the slab, not the ceiling.

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