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Topic # 18387 8-Jan-2008 23:38
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I like what you have done with the wiki,  I signed up but not use what help I can offer.

I was looking at a comprassion of different costs and thought that some extra txt would be good,
for example I looked at a table and in the last coloum was a link to related infomation,
on the screen in the coloum is just a number and a link,  what I was hoping to do is add 'alt' text to the html link, so it would popup a little box with infomation there.

But it looks like it's more low level than a nromal edit and would take a little php tweaking to the wiki, unless there is a special why of doing it.

Also RSS on some of them pages would be nice, would help with mushing it all up.


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  Reply # 103877 9-Jan-2008 20:05
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Thanks for your feedback. I agree completely with the feedback about the comparsion table, it would be nice to include additional information as I feel that some providers are not truely represented when taking into other factors like 24 hour helpdesks, calling deals, online portal, antivirus/spyware packages, VoIP service provided.

For the heavy user, they will only look at the download limit, but for others, they look for reliablity, support, and other value added services. Being a wiki, it means that it is changing all the time, and it can be changed very easily.

The alt text can be done, its just the way which it is implemented. Remember that many browsers such as mobile PDA's, text only browsers, or browsers without javascript may have issues - so possibly we could still keep our 'key' but implement a javascript alt text for those browsers?


In terms of RSS - I'll certainly look at getting an RSS extenstion installed :)

THanks again for your feedback, it is very good to hear it.




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  Reply # 103907 9-Jan-2008 22:38
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The reason for the limited txt within the comparison table was due to space requirements...it was just impossible to compare every feature in one table, hence the reason we used a key...

But its not to say it cant be improved...that is what a wiki is...

Your idea of popups has merit...but could be done with simple js could it not?




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  Reply # 103908 9-Jan-2008 22:41
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It could, I'm going to be looking at that option (while still maintaining the table key for non JS browsers of course)




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  Reply # 103935 10-Jan-2008 00:51
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It's hard to keep the information simple, but have it all in one place.

At least having all the information in one place, is a start to presenting it.

I think tag clouds are a nice was to balance data.

A problem with measuring something is that, defining how it's measured changes what's been measured.
ie some isp's sell to the mass user and others pitch for the gamer.

If say, the number of game servers was a factor, then some isps would push game servers to elevate their rankings.

Just business marketing and physics.

My point, I like the wiki and rambling.

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Had my 1st play in wiki on http://www.nzconnection.net/index.php?title=Internet_Plans-Pricing_Comparisons
Changed the links from

| [[#Key|3]]

to

| [[$5 capped weekend toll calling#Key|3]]

So it shows a the line of info.

Is that ok? I wanted to changed the nice rss section, but only changed it's comment to ask for links to the rss feed, not just the embedded version.

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  Reply # 103955 10-Jan-2008 09:51
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Checked it out - it doesn't work.

That edits the link which is shown in the Alt text by default. Because the link had been edited, it no longer works.




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  Reply # 103969 10-Jan-2008 11:10
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Could you use CSS's hover element - google "CSS tooltip"




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  Reply # 103976 10-Jan-2008 11:51
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I have been looking at this,   I could make new pages for each element of the key, making the key table redudent as the infomation is represented in the alt text.  But yes I would have like it to work with the key table.

I was reading  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Advanced_editing#Links.2C_URLs about the hover,

I tried to use this [#Key(Static IP +$10)|8]] but it displays no hovor and too much txt.
[(Static IP +$10)#Key|8]] is the same problem as before, linking to unknown page.

Not sure how to edit the css hover to fix this issue.

I am voting for extra pages, any reasions why not?

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  Reply # 103980 10-Jan-2008 11:58
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That requires sysops to edit the css files, and as I've just returned back to my laptop, I can now start researching into it.

I'll report back to where it's going up to, but it's going to be tested on the beta site.

Having separate pages is not really flexible anyway, and requires a lot of manual work.




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  Reply # 103983 10-Jan-2008 12:42
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A custom CSS hover would be nice, but also alot of work.

My case for a new pages,
each key feature  needs more detail. ie throttling, datablocks (oh that 1 is done)
the alt/title/hover text would work present extra infomation instantly at the pointer.

It would also make the alt text work today, no extra development needed.
But don't let me put you off anything you want to do/design.








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  Reply # 103984 10-Jan-2008 12:44
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What.... the CSS hover is easy to customise. That's what CSS was created for! Laughing

I'm testing it as we speak...




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  Reply # 103989 10-Jan-2008 13:00
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Nice looking menu.

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  Reply # 103990 10-Jan-2008 13:01
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The right floating one was also mine... Wink




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  Reply # 104026 10-Jan-2008 15:22
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RSS link to the feeds done.




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  Reply # 104131 11-Jan-2008 05:29
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The menu is the only one i noticed.

I did see just plain text that looked like a hover.
An example of a wrapped tooltip (ugly):

Hover over me......and this is what you'll see.

An example of a specialised tooltip (better, but also requires non-breaking spaces):

Hover over me......and this is what you'll see.

An example of a specialised right aligned tooltip:


html looks like this,

An example of a wrapped tooltip (ugly):
</p><p><span class="tool"><b>Hover over me...</b><span class="tip">...and this is what you'll see.</span></span>
Looks like the css is missing/notfound.

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