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#195411 19-Apr-2016 16:08
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Hi,

 

I need some advise on what to do next.

 

We are trying to get Fibre installed into one of our commercial buildings, our building has 2 other units attached, even though they are on separate titles chorus still class it as a multi dwelling unit.

 

Chorus are trying to save themselves money in the long run by installing Fibre into all the buildings, which requires consent from the other building owner. The other building owner has declined consent.

 

 

 

Due to the other building owner declining consent Chorus have cancelled our Fibre install and won't proceed any further.

 

Chorus won't even look into finishing the fibre at our building which would mean that it would not affect the next door building owners building at all.

 

There is no shared driveway involved, all buildings have their own direct road access.

 

 

 

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed with getting fibre installed into our building only.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Jordan


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  #1535786 19-Apr-2016 16:29
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In all seriousness if you're in a MDU (and it would seem based on your description you are) and the building owner has denied consent then you're basically not going to get fibre. That's pretty much the end of the story.

 

Chorus will under some pretty unique circumstances treat a MDU as a SDU however you'd need to go through your RSP and get this job looked at again.

 

Do you know why the other building owner denied consent?

 

 

 

 


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  #1535794 19-Apr-2016 16:37
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Hmm, so if I lived in a house joined to another house but it was on a separate title with its own road access, services, etc... Chorus would class it as a MDU? That is mental.


 
 
 
 




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  #1535800 19-Apr-2016 16:38
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Thanks for the reply Steve.

 

No I'm not sure why the other building owner declined consent. They only use their buildings as storage rather than actually running a business. So am guessing they didn't want Chorus mucking around with their building.

 

Funny thing is I talked with Unison who have Fibre on the power lines down the street, they won't need to get consent from the other building owner and they would have it connected within a week.

 

Unfortunately they don't have contracts in place with Spark at the moment so Spark are forced to use Chorus.

 

Thanks Jordan


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  #1535805 19-Apr-2016 16:41
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UHD:

 

Hmm, so if I lived in a house joined to another house but it was on a separate title with its own road access, services, etc... Chorus would class it as a MDU? That is mental.

 

 

So you're describing a duplex house? The answer would be nope, that would be a SDU since it's residential.

 

I'm pretty sure it's CFH rules that define what is and what isn't a MDU, not Chorus or the LFC's.

 

 

 

 


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  #1535972 19-Apr-2016 20:00
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Have you tried talking to the other property owner?

 

I find most people will ignore or decline a random notice in there letter box from Chorus.

 

Yet when I ring up or meet the landlord, property owner or property manager they are normally more than happy to sign it once they have seen the design (if fact many don't even ask for a design)

 

Chorus, Wilson Hurst (who look after many of the consents) and UCG seem to spend weeks chasing there tails on half these installs I deal with, yet I manage to get consents sorted pretty quickly. Often the actual owner does not match there records (often from council). Most landlords want there tenants to be happy.

 

The only catch it seems like none of them are willing to pay a cent towards it even if it means they or other tenants can get better internet / data. Many MDU builds go over the $1000 per tenancy cap.

 

 

 

Also the govt changing the law many situations including most ROWs and some MDU units, where it will default to yes if they don't reply and they can only decline on certain reasons.


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  #1536430 20-Apr-2016 11:45
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JordzNZ:

 

Thanks for the reply Steve.

 

No I'm not sure why the other building owner declined consent. They only use their buildings as storage rather than actually running a business. So am guessing they didn't want Chorus mucking around with their building.

 

Funny thing is I talked with Unison who have Fibre on the power lines down the street, they won't need to get consent from the other building owner and they would have it connected within a week.

 

Unfortunately they don't have contracts in place with Spark at the moment so Spark are forced to use Chorus.

 

Thanks Jordan

 

 

 

 

In a MDU the UFB network build assumes that there be one lead-in from the roadway into the building.  Tenanted spaces within the complex are then fed from the communal cabling installed inside the building.

 

If every tenanted space had its own lead-in then this would create unwanted complexity & cost.

 

Not every parcel of land with a title is in single ownership.  Some parcels of land have titles that have some form of shared ownership (cross-lease ROW's, strata titles, etc).  So while you may have a separate "unit" in a development, legally we still need consent from the joint owners as there is some common area on the title.

 

If you think there has been a mistake made in the designation of your property, DM us the details & we can get our property team to check that the designation is correct.  Will need your address & UFB order ref #.

 

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  #1536449 20-Apr-2016 12:09
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Thanks Chorus for your reply.

 

I have DM'd you with details requested.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Jordan

 

 

 

Chorusnz:

 

JordzNZ:

 

Thanks for the reply Steve.

 

No I'm not sure why the other building owner declined consent. They only use their buildings as storage rather than actually running a business. So am guessing they didn't want Chorus mucking around with their building.

 

Funny thing is I talked with Unison who have Fibre on the power lines down the street, they won't need to get consent from the other building owner and they would have it connected within a week.

 

Unfortunately they don't have contracts in place with Spark at the moment so Spark are forced to use Chorus.

 

Thanks Jordan

 

 

 

 

In a MDU the UFB network build assumes that there be one lead-in from the roadway into the building.  Tenanted spaces within the complex are then fed from the communal cabling installed inside the building.

 

If every tenanted space had its own lead-in then this would create unwanted complexity & cost.

 

Not every parcel of land with a title is in single ownership.  Some parcels of land have titles that have some form of shared ownership (cross-lease ROW's, strata titles, etc).  So while you may have a separate "unit" in a development, legally we still need consent from the joint owners as there is some common area on the title.

 

If you think there has been a mistake made in the designation of your property, DM us the details & we can get our property team to check that the designation is correct.  Will need your address & UFB order ref #.

 

^GL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1536494 20-Apr-2016 12:20
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UHD:

 

Hmm, so if I lived in a house joined to another house but it was on a separate title with its own road access, services, etc... Chorus would class it as a MDU? That is mental.

 

 

Absolutely! You've defined a Multi Dwelling Unit perfectly - a house joined to another house.

 

Apartment buildings are almost always unit titled: ie each unit has it's own title, but they are all still in the same building.

 

A block of flats or a duplex may be cross-leased, unit titled, or have fee simple titles, but if there is a shared party wall anywhere, then it's an MDU, regardless of whether they share a driveway or not.





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  #1536542 20-Apr-2016 12:57
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Wheelbarrow01:

 

UHD:

 

Hmm, so if I lived in a house joined to another house but it was on a separate title with its own road access, services, etc... Chorus would class it as a MDU? That is mental.

 

 

Absolutely! You've defined a Multi Dwelling Unit perfectly - a house joined to another house.

 

Apartment buildings are almost always unit titled: ie each unit has it's own title, but they are all still in the same building.

 

A block of flats or a duplex may be cross-leased, unit titled, or have fee simple titles, but if there is a shared party wall anywhere, then it's an MDU, regardless of whether they share a driveway or not.

 

 

I can understand the unit titles and cross lease titles requiring consents as other building/maintenance work also requires consent but I think a fee simple title requiring consent because (for example) the garage walls are joined would be utter nonsense. Especially given that the would have to be a fire wall and no services would be installed on the wall. Ah, well. Chalk that up to another common sense lacking piece of bureaucracy.


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  #1538440 22-Apr-2016 21:52
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UHD:

 

Hmm, so if I lived in a house joined to another house but it was on a separate title with its own road access, services, etc... Chorus would class it as a MDU? That is mental.

 

 

Its not as mental as it seems, the pathways may be crossing land of the neighbouring house and cable entry to the building could affect the whole building not just the unit being connected. There does need to be some way for Chorus to investigate these cases to find ways around problems, but as far as I know there are legal issues surrounding MDU apart from the normal shared driveway problems.





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