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TeaLeaf

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#197886 16-Jun-2016 15:37
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I much prefer Dynamic ISPs, especially when wanting to retrial something and you are blocked because of the IP already being used.

 

Are there any ISPs that do Dynamic ISP by default that are good value?

 

What is the benefit of static IPs aside from hosting? I think of it as being insecure, but living in OZ I never had a static IP so maybe just not use to it.

 

Bigpipe swapped from Dynamic to Static and I didnt get advise, was one of the reasons I chose them. Still rate their product though.


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Lias
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  #1575139 16-Jun-2016 16:22
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Most ISP's provide Dynamic IPs and charge extra for static.

 

 

 

 





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  #1575142 16-Jun-2016 16:26
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I've never seen a 'real' service block from a trial by nature of your IP address.  They either use things like email address, credit card, or physical address(as approproate) to determine you've previously had a trial.

 

 

 

the reason they don't use IP address to determine is that most ISPs DO use some for of Dynamic IP - so it would be extremely ineffective.

 

Not to mention the prevalence of CG-NAT,  and even people sharing IP at places like work.

 

 

 

IP bans are USUALLY in place for scams, hackers, spammers.  Not genuine product trials.


 
 
 
 


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  #1575161 16-Jun-2016 16:53
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Most ISP's offer Dynamic assignment and now days Carrier grade NAT. (which can cause technical issues with some types of protocols but is usually fine for the home user or a mobile user). The only downside to a static IP is it could get blocked more easily. But unless you are an internet troll then you dont have anything to worry about.

 

The security argument about static IP's doesn't really fly. If you are connected to the web all day everyday then you can potentially get hacked unless you have taken (and continue to take) measures to secure your equipment. People can just scan ports, or write programs to loop through and try to connect to ports to see if they are open. If your IP is dynamic its not going to stop someone from breaking in if you have poor security.

 

You will find about 90-95% of servers on the web have static IP's and if they don't they are usually behind a load balancer that assigns them a CIDR range anyway.

 

 


TeaLeaf

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  #1575774 17-Jun-2016 14:39
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i didnt mean net hacking or sniffing. i just assumed if you wanted to host games occasionally it would be safer to have a dynamic. i dont anyway so its a moot point.

 

regardless Bigpipe no longer offer dynamic IP.

 

as for the above poster try using dns4me a couple of time with the same IP. you are right, most retail services dont use ips, but this is a different game.

 

i was going to sign up but with a different email but got IP conflict which is what made me suspect bigpipe had switched to static, which they have.


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  #1575817 17-Jun-2016 15:26
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TeaLeaf:

 

 

 

 

 

i was going to sign up but with a different email but got IP conflict which is what made me suspect bigpipe had switched to static, which they have.

 

 

Are you sure they have switched static?

 

Their support pages still say you get dynamic unless to ask/pay for static.

 

https://www.bigpipe.co.nz/faq/how-does-a-static-ip-work

 

https://www.bigpipe.co.nz/faq/how-much-is-it-for-a-static-ip

 

Maybe you are just getting a 'sticky' dynamic address? 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #1575820 17-Jun-2016 15:30
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I had trouble with some dynamic ip's that changed every five minutes, e.g. Flip, when using services like unotelly.  Even when I used a dynamic dns service it still dropped the connection.  Once I changed provider and stumped up for a static ip it's been a lot easier.


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  #1575893 17-Jun-2016 16:30
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robcreid:

 

TeaLeaf:

 

 

 

 

 

i was going to sign up but with a different email but got IP conflict which is what made me suspect bigpipe had switched to static, which they have.

 

 

Are you sure they have switched static?

 

Their support pages still say you get dynamic unless to ask/pay for static.

 

https://www.bigpipe.co.nz/faq/how-does-a-static-ip-work

 

https://www.bigpipe.co.nz/faq/how-much-is-it-for-a-static-ip

 

Maybe you are just getting a 'sticky' dynamic address? 

 

 

 

They confirmed in the other thread that they're simply sticky.

 

 


 
 
 
 


TeaLeaf

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  #1576627 19-Jun-2016 17:23
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Well the advised me they have moved to static as a change of policy. I use to be able to reset my IP with router restart, no longer can do.

 

Its no huge deal but I do prefer dynamic. Never had a prob with BP dynamic, in fact they are the most reliable ISP I have ever had including the 4 large telcos Ive worked for (well I guess they are kind of one being spark n all). But never had my service go down, even when they advertised outages it was always in the middle of the night for 5 mins max.


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  #1576641 19-Jun-2016 17:51
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When you say static, I assume you're talking about CGNAT static private IP's such as 100.x.x.x?

 

If so, you can't really block those IP addresses because they are not public IP's and don't appear to the server at the other end after CGNAT.

 

On the other side of the CGNAT they may be using static public IP's, however, then everyone would be effected if certain static IP's on that side were blacklisted.

 

Or are you talking about actual public static IP's now being assigned to customers ie: 210.x.x.x?

 

I have a static 'public' IP with bigpipe, and I haven't found myself blacklisted from anything. However, I don't go visiting dodgy sites or download questionable material so I have no reason for it to be blacklisted.

 

Some say a static public IP could work against you depending on what the last person did with it. However, the flip side to that coin is that it can also proctect you if you know what is going on through your connection.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Gavin.


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  #1576689 19-Jun-2016 18:58
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kiwirock:

 

When you say static, I assume you're talking about CGNAT static private IP's such as 100.x.x.x?

 

If so, you can't really block those IP addresses because they are not public IP's and don't appear to the server at the other end after CGNAT.

 

On the other side of the CGNAT they may be using static public IP's, however, then everyone would be effected if certain static IP's on that side were blacklisted.

 

Or are you talking about actual public static IP's now being assigned to customers ie: 210.x.x.x?

 

I have a static 'public' IP with bigpipe, and I haven't found myself blacklisted from anything. However, I don't go visiting dodgy sites or download questionable material so I have no reason for it to be blacklisted.

 

Some say a static public IP could work against you depending on what the last person did with it. However, the flip side to that coin is that it can also proctect you if you know what is going on through your connection.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Gavin.

 

 

OP is talking about public static.


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  #1576694 19-Jun-2016 19:06
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So what are you doing? Trying to sign up for a trial of dns4me that you've already used?


TeaLeaf

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  #1576793 19-Jun-2016 22:18
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no not cgnat

 

just regular public static

 

ive not been blocked, i only noticed they had changed for as the above user has suggested i wanted to trial a dns service again but it IP conflicted. no biggie.

 

just thought people might want to know in case they really want a dynamic IP, which I presume from the sounds, other ISPs still offer (if not the other way round, you have to pay for a static IP)


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  #1576844 20-Jun-2016 07:18
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TeaLeaf:

 

Well the advised me they have moved to static as a change of policy. I use to be able to reset my IP with router restart, no longer can do.

 

 

In the other similar thread on here a few days ago they confirmed they were sticky (and more sticky than before), there was no mention of them being static. Sticky and static are two very different things, but it's possible with sticky that your IP may stay the same for ages.

 

 

 

 


TeaLeaf

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  #1576860 20-Jun-2016 08:12
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yeah i know what your saying sbiddle, but the categorically stated they are now static. either way it doesnt worry me much, just wasnt aware of the change until i went to resign a service and couldnt remember my original login info used. but all good now :-)


NonprayingMantis
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  #1576867 20-Jun-2016 08:37
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Seems like a pretty academic discussion.
How sticky does a sticky IP have to be before it is static ?
If they are set so sticky that you get a new one every fifty years then they might as well be static.

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