Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


hio77

12999 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Lizard Networks

#223915 24-Oct-2017 12:42
Send private message

Hey guys,

 

 

 

Exciting day it is today, Seems Vectoring is livening up on some locations.

 

mt pleasant being a notable location as of this morning.

 

 

 

Seen some impressive results, I'm collating a few numbers but at a skim...

 

 

 

seeing about 20Mbit gains on good lines (pegging out at 100mbit)

 

Longer lines are seeing 10ish on some cases (I don't have many examples of this as of yet so unfair to comment too much)

 

 

 

Looks like currently the example lines i've pulled out are only protected on upstream so no massive gains there but hopefully a bit more of a background noise reduction on errors.

 

 

 

 

 

With G.INP going live, seeing all compatible modems dropping down to no interleaving!

 

Hopefully our chorus folk around here might wanna drop some numbers that aren't specific to what i can see - This would give a more broad look at the improvements!

 

 

 

 

 

Keep an eye out for what DSLAM's this hits next, I for one am excited to see it out and would love to see a rural example (WAK/C is a great example i'm sure guys ;) )





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 

 


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | ... | 27
Behodar
10501 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1888515 24-Oct-2017 12:52
Send private message

For the curious, there's some information on Chorus' site about this.




Lorenceo
904 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  #1888518 24-Oct-2017 12:57
Send private message

Good to see. Haven't seen many lines with huge gains just yet, though.

 

Throwing caution to the wind: Would be cool to see it enabled on TIS/BK cool


Theclaytons
203 posts

Master Geek


  #1888519 24-Oct-2017 12:58
Send private message

Is this a trial or is this the actual rollout? Would be good to see some dates for completion? Especially Kirwee :)







hio77

12999 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Lizard Networks

  #1888520 24-Oct-2017 12:59
Send private message

Theclaytons:

 

Is this a trial or is this the actual rollout? Would be good to see some dates for completion? Especially Kirwee :)

 

 

make use of that new tower ;)

 

 

 

This is the initial trial on live lines, rollout due soon. Much like what happened with ddDLM.





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 

 


Theclaytons
203 posts

Master Geek


  #1888534 24-Oct-2017 13:15
Send private message

That tower is a thing of beauty. 





michaelmurfy
meow
13240 posts

Uber Geek

Moderator
ID Verified
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1888604 24-Oct-2017 14:00
Send private message

Theclaytons:
That tower is a thing of beauty. 

 

Oh come on you say that without sharing photos? It must be pretty glorious.

 

Still yet to see any change on my parents connection - still at 110/50Mbit.





Michael Murphy | https://murfy.nz
Referral Links: Quic Broadband (use R122101E7CV7Q for free setup)

Are you happy with what you get from Geekzone? Please consider supporting us by subscribing.
Opinions are my own and not the views of my employer.


hio77

12999 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Lizard Networks

  #1888608 24-Oct-2017 14:10
Send private message

michaelmurfy:

 

Theclaytons:
That tower is a thing of beauty. 

 

Oh come on you say that without sharing photos? It must be pretty glorious.

 

Still yet to see any change on my parents connection - still at 110/50Mbit.

 

 

That line isn't going to see any improvements really unless the profile maximums change.

 

 

 

https://itbrief.co.nz/story/spark-and-vodafone-work-together-build-new-cell-tower/

 

Follow this article for Claytons comments ;)





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 

 


 
 
 

Cloud spending continues to surge globally, but most organisations haven’t made the changes necessary to maximise the value and cost-efficiency benefits of their cloud investments. Download the whitepaper From Overspend to Advantage now.
DS248
1691 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #1888628 24-Oct-2017 14:31
Send private message

hio77:  ...  This is the initial trial on live lines, rollout due soon.  ...

 

 

 

Any indication of what "due soon" means?    Weeks?  1 - 2 months?  Longer?

 

 

 

Also, any list of which cabinets will be upgraded?


hio77

12999 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Lizard Networks

  #1888637 24-Oct-2017 14:47
Send private message

DS248:

 

hio77:  ...  This is the initial trial on live lines, rollout due soon.  ...

 

 

 

Any indication of what "due soon" means?    Weeks?  1 - 2 months?  Longer?

 

 

 

Also, any list of which cabinets will be upgraded?

 

 

This is their Pilot.

 

 

 

As mentioned in the first post, on Mt Pleasant, CHCH. (MPL/AL DSLAM-03)

 

 

 

 

Next steps

 

We’re consulting with the industry via the TCF, on the implementation of VDSL vectoring and G.INP. We’re proposing to pilot both initiatives on active VDSL lines in Ethernet DSLAMs, within a Christchurch Chorus non-fibre area. The pilot testing here will produce a small outage for your customers as their modem restarts.

 

After the pilot testing confirms our expected improvements, we propose to roll out VDSL vectoring to all Ethernet DSLAMs in areas without our fibre. Conditional on TCF approval, this should be done by the end of the year.

 

Your service delivery manager will update you with test timings once confirmed. Contact them (or your TCF representative) for any further queries.

 

 

 

 

so..... anytime? chorus have not defined.

 

 





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 

 


allio
885 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1888680 24-Oct-2017 15:46
Send private message

Will either change (vectoring or G.INP) roll out in areas that don't currently have Chorus UFB, but are scheduled to get it in the future?

 

I gather from the other thread that areas who already have fibre installed by other operators (e.g. Enable) will be getting the upgrade, while those of us who will be waiting another two years for a Chorus rollout won't. A little annoying if true.


hio77

12999 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Lizard Networks

  #1888683 24-Oct-2017 15:52
Send private message

allio:

 

Will either change (vectoring or G.INP) roll out in areas that don't currently have Chorus UFB, but are scheduled to get it in the future?

 

 

 

 

Details have indicated chorus intend to compete against UFB offering's in these areas.

 

I personally Don't agree with this and feel like concentration should be done on non UFB areas.

 

 

 

But a business does need to make money, and if Vectoring can provide decent 100/50 links without fault.... well that's not a bad offering...

 

 

 

Same sorta story as Chorus UFB areas where there is pushback on copper orders that don't have valid arguments for why it should not be fibre.





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 

 


allio
885 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1888690 24-Oct-2017 15:56
Send private message

hio77:

 

allio:

 

Will either change (vectoring or G.INP) roll out in areas that don't currently have Chorus UFB, but are scheduled to get it in the future?

 

 

 

 

Details have indicated chorus intend to compete against UFB offering's in these areas.

 

I personally Don't agree with this and feel like concentration should be done on non UFB areas.

 

 

 

But a business does need to make money, and if Vectoring can provide decent 100/50 links without fault.... well that's not a bad offering...

 

 

 

Same sorta story as Chorus UFB areas where there is pushback on copper orders that don't have valid arguments for why it should not be fibre.

 

 

Thanks. Made my thoughts in an edit to my post above while you were posting. Slightly galling to have flash new linecards going into cabinets in areas where people have had access to UFB for years, though I guess I can understand how the decision makes sense commercially. Meanwhile I get 17Mbps upstream with a 4db SNR on a 150m run to the cabinet in Mt Albert because the whole street is stuck on VDSL while we wait for fibre.

 

Edit: wait, did I understand your post correctly? You mean Chorus intend to use vectoring/G.INP to compete with UFB in the non-Chorus areas, but won't be rolling it out in areas currently waiting for Chorus UFB, yeah?


hio77

12999 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Lizard Networks

  #1888708 24-Oct-2017 16:09
Send private message

allio:

 

 

 

Thanks. Made my thoughts in an edit to my post above while you were posting. Slightly galling to have flash new linecards going into cabinets in areas where people have had access to UFB for years, though I guess I can understand how the decision makes sense commercially. Meanwhile I get 17Mbps upstream with a 4db SNR on a 150m run to the cabinet in Mt Albert because the whole street is stuck on VDSL while we wait for fibre.

 

Edit: wait, did I understand your post correctly? You mean Chorus intend to use vectoring/G.INP to compete with UFB in the non-Chorus areas, but won't be rolling it out in areas currently waiting for Chorus UFB, yeah?

 

 

That's the rabbit hole we are going down...

 

 

 

IMO, vectoring has massive value for urban situations first off. They are more highly affected by crosstalk.

 

Rural should be the second or first target situation as the copper out there should make for some great sales stats...

 

 

 

Competing against UFB (non chorus areas) should be flat out the last thing ever for customers.

 

 

 

For a business though... the more delays in getting this equipment out there, means less business potential.... so would not surprise me if it goes non chorus UFB areas first.

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

posted in other thread from a ex fieldtech.

 

exchorusfieldtech:

 

As far as I'm aware, in areas where Chorus isn't the LFC, they fully intend to deploy equipment to try and compete - this means that in future, theoretically we should see G.Fast technology anywhere LLU isn't happening and it's viable for deployment, and Chorus Fibre isn't an option (Most of the Waikato, Christchurch and Whangarei/Northland).

 





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 

 


cruxis
480 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1891249 27-Oct-2017 11:19
Send private message

Is chorus competing against enable in christchurch ? As fibre was rolled out in my area place Chorus changed the equipment in the cabinet unleashing my VDSL to over 108/44  which better than a equivalent fibre plan at the moment. But i am still getting fibre installed while its free anyways.

 

Can chorus make vdsl go even faster and undercut the faster fibre plans? How fast can VDSL actually go?


Linux
11391 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1891258 27-Oct-2017 11:37
Send private message

cruxis:

Is chorus competing against enable in christchurch ? As fibre was rolled out in my area place Chorus changed the equipment in the cabinet unleashing my VDSL to over 108/44  which better than a equivalent fibre plan at the moment. But i am still getting fibre installed while its free anyways.


Can chorus make vdsl go even faster and undercut the faster fibre plans? How fast can VDSL actually go?



Fibre can't compete with copper when it comes to capacity and latency and I am sure many other things

Linux

 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | ... | 27
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

Air New Zealand Starts AI adoption with OpenAI
Posted 24-Jul-2025 16:00


eero Pro 7 Review
Posted 23-Jul-2025 12:07


BeeStation Plus Review
Posted 21-Jul-2025 14:21


eero Unveils New Wi-Fi 7 Products in New Zealand
Posted 21-Jul-2025 00:01


WiZ Introduces HDMI Sync Box and other Light Devices
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:32


RedShield Enhances DDoS and Bot Attack Protection
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:26


Seagate Ships 30TB Drives
Posted 17-Jul-2025 11:24


Oclean AirPump A10 Water Flosser Review
Posted 13-Jul-2025 11:05


Samsung Galaxy Z Fold7: Raising the Bar for Smartphones
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Samsung Galaxy Z Flip7 Brings New Edge-To-Edge FlexWindow
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Epson Launches New AM-C550Z WorkForce Enterprise printer
Posted 9-Jul-2025 18:22


Samsung Releases Smart Monitor M9
Posted 9-Jul-2025 17:46


Nearly Half of Older Kiwis Still Write their Passwords on Paper
Posted 9-Jul-2025 08:42


D-Link 4G+ Cat6 Wi-Fi 6 DWR-933M Mobile Hotspot Review
Posted 1-Jul-2025 11:34


Oppo A5 Series Launches With New Levels of Durability
Posted 30-Jun-2025 10:15









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.