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Topic # 228720 19-Jan-2018 09:52
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New cable almost complete!!!

 

With this cable soon to be competing head on with Southern Cross Cable, what is it going to mean for Kiwis and Kiwi business?

 

 


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  Reply # 1943326 19-Jan-2018 10:13
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extra capacity and redundancy and apparently this have even lower ping though not by a huge margin I imagine.

 

But might matter to those that appreciate any minute differences, HFT traders in NZ?

 

This also means we now have 2 operators for links to the US. Duopoly still operates like a monopoly though, they just share the loot.

 

But hey, just one more then we'll have competition with Souther Cross Cables which is a company not paying any tax in NZ, last I looked it was registered in Bermuda or some kind of tax haven.


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  Reply # 1943346 19-Jan-2018 10:43
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alliao:

 

extra capacity and redundancy and apparently this have even lower ping though not by a huge margin I imagine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

yet the article claims.

 

 

 

- In technical terms, the Southern Cross Cable will remain the fastest link between NZ and the US with a latency or "lag" of 63 milliseconds, versus Hawaiki's 127ms on the same route.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1943354 19-Jan-2018 10:55
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dan:

 

alliao:

 

extra capacity and redundancy and apparently this have even lower ping though not by a huge margin I imagine.

 

 

yet the article claims.

 

- In technical terms, the Southern Cross Cable will remain the fastest link between NZ and the US with a latency or "lag" of 63 milliseconds, versus Hawaiki's 127ms on the same route.

 

 

Until its lit and everyone can see its actual numbers,

 

I am sure we are going to be hit up with a ton of spin from both SC and Hawaiki claiming  "My pipe is Bigger/faster/fatter" than yours,


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  Reply # 1943390 19-Jan-2018 11:07
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There is already another Cable between NZ and AU taking traffic, The Cable up to the US is not going to mean much at all I reckon

 

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Pumpedd: , what is it going to mean for Kiwis and Kiwi business?


 



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  Reply # 1943410 19-Jan-2018 11:27
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There is already another Cable between NZ and AU taking traffic, The Cable up to the US is not going to mean much at all I reckon
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This

 

The Tasman Global Access cable (https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=210501) is actually much more important for those of us with the enormously good fortune to be living south of Auckland.
Because its NZ termination is at Raglan, it will provide a path to The Internet for all the rest of us when the Aucklandocalypse* occurs.

 

I guess that Hawaiki will do the same job for Northlanders since its termination is at Mangawhai Heads.

 

All the other stuff goes through the Auckland Isthmus.

 

 

 

The possibility of some price or performance competition is nice, too

 

 

 

* I dunno, how about "Mt. Takapuna" erupts?


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  Reply # 1943420 19-Jan-2018 11:33
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Majority of the traffic "imported" into NZ is coming from Sydney these days and growing very quickly.

 

There are already 2 cable systems competing for this traffic now. Hawaiki will make 3.

 

Traffic to the rest of the world hasn't grown much.


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  Reply # 1943423 19-Jan-2018 11:34
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The Tasman Global Access cable (https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=210501) is actually much more important for those of us with the enormously good fortune to be living south of Auckland.
Because its NZ termination is at Raglan, it will provide a path to The Internet for all the rest of us when the Aucklandocalypse* occurs.

 

 

if only that was true. While the cable terminates in Reglan, as a capacity buyer, you can only buy connections in Auckland at this stage.

 

 


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It provides a PHYSICALLY separate route for traffic between the US and NZ.  The biggest benefit for the country is that we are no longer at risk of being cut adrift if the SX cable system fails (even though the chances of this happening are unlikely givent he cable system configuration).

 

In theory it means that all the ISPs, Banks, AmazonWS, FB, Google and other slingers of big bandwidth can have a failsafe connection to the US.  If SX goes down, the interwebs can keep flowing over one of the alternate routes.

 

In order for that to be a reality, all of those organisations have to pay for the bandwidth they need - ON BOTH CABLES - just in case they need it.  That will never happen as no business is prepared to pay for twice the bandwidth they actually need.

 

Most likely scenario is that they purchase 1/2 their bandwidth requirement from one and 1/2 from another.  How they make this work when there is an imbalance in latency will be a bit of a challenge, but best case is that if one link fails, the ISP service just gets very slow, rather than failing entirely.

 

Or there is a price war to get market share and the guys with the biggest bank account go broke last.

 

Or we just have three providers that make just enough money not to go broke and nothing changes from a performance perspective.

 

Or this is the reality and having three cables is no guarantee of redundancy ....https://www.wired.com/story/russia-undersea-internet-cables/

 

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  Reply # 1943440 19-Jan-2018 11:47
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It should mean a great deal for the research community which will hopefully benefit from a well priced, extremely fast connection to the US. That was the focus of the NZ Govt $15m investment in this project. It will out perform any commercial links on the cable as it relies on the extremely low packet loss to do away with the packet acknowledgment overheads in normal TCP.

 

For NZ in general, the greatest benefit will probably be redundant international links as most Southern Cross wholesalers move to spread their NZ demand across the two cable systems. It's unlikely that it will drive huge new demand for international connectivity, and it will be very interesting to see if there is any shift in retail broadband pricing (How much of the domestic monthly price is really driven by international costs?)

 

It should be noted that Hawaiki is not directly comparable to Southern Cross as the Hawaiki connection to NZ is a spur off the main cable (although with dedicated fibres). However, it might make NZ a more attractive for business looking to locate here


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hoane:In order for that to be a reality, all of those organisations have to pay for the bandwidth they need - ON BOTH CABLES - just in case they need it.  That will never happen as no business is prepared to pay for twice the bandwidth they actually need.

 

I think this is the most important part of the whole argument.

 

Are businesses really going to want to pay twice, or cut their capacity requirements in half and share it between the two. As I could only see a number of smaller ISPs with non-customer critical data be prepared to go all boots in with the new player. If their cable goes down then you are dead in the water. So you would either need an existing relationship back with SCCN in the event of failure. Plus have two 10GB uplinks one to SCCN and one with Hawaiki.

 

Plus paying for 50% capacity would surely be more expensive than 100% on one, so unless the Hawaiki cable is so much cheaper than SCCN it would be an interesting sell.

 

As has already been said the NZ-AU traffic is continuing to grow which justified the TGA cable for more capacity yet for the last 12-18 months NZ-US traffic has stayed flat or dropped.

 

I think the point where SCCN has reached it's complete end of life and is no longer affordable to maintain and outages causes customers to look at Hawaiki that's when things will get interesting.

 

Until then it's going to be a long road ahead considering Spark has 50% of the NZ broadband market so unlikely to consume Hawaiki.

 

But what is the percentage of international transit on an overall price to service customers, I thought it was sub 5% or something so a percentage saving on a small percentage isn't going to make any real changes in the near future.






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  Reply # 1943571 19-Jan-2018 14:51
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I think the point where SCCN has reached it's complete end of life and is no longer affordable to maintain and outages causes customers to look at Hawaiki that's when things will get interesting.

 

 

SCCN has announced their new cable too, so that will be live well before the original SCCN cable is end of lifed.

 

 

 

https://www.southerncrosscables.com/News/new-cable-will-futureproof-the-internet


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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1801/S00038/progress-on-major-transpacific-cable-welcomed.htm

 

Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media Minister Clare Curran

 

"For Kiwis it means faster, better internet, particularly when content is being streamed from overseas."

 

Ok, Who left the box of crayons in the Beehive unsupervised again...


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Ok, Who left the box of crayons in the Beehive unsupervised again...

 

 

And the Herald is spouting the same http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.php?c_id=1&objectid=11978256


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  Reply # 1943637 19-Jan-2018 16:46
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RunningMan:

wellygary:


Ok, Who left the box of crayons in the Beehive unsupervised again...



And the Herald is spouting the same http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.php?c_id=1&objectid=11978256



I wonder how many customers will think their Wi-Fi will speed up? lol

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