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# 253180 30-Jul-2019 19:42
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Just wondering if the 30a and 35b profiles are in use anywhere in NZ?

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  # 2286004 30-Jul-2019 20:05
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Chorus only support 8b and 17a 

 

As far as other providers (who offered unbundled services with there own DSLAMs), I don't think any of them will sell it to new customers, the numbers have been dropping a lot and are now under 24,000. Generally these are large urban exchanges and anything city size will have UFB by the end of this year, with most towns getting fibre by the end of 2022.
I believe we will see unbundled copper (UCLL) gone within 2-3 years. From June 2018 to June 2019, it dropped from 53,000 customers to 24,000. Much lower and the maths does not stack up at all for ISPs to do unbundled.

 

 

 

Given this will mostly leave rural areas getting VDSL, I don't believe any faster profiles will be likely due to the distances in most cases and low number of users.




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  # 2286024 30-Jul-2019 20:28
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Hopefully VDSL doesn't get priced up to compensate for lack of users ... I live rural and get a great VDSL connection, be nice if it could be greater still :-)


 
 
 
 


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  # 2286055 30-Jul-2019 21:01
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Mark:

 

Hopefully VDSL doesn't get priced up to compensate for lack of users ... I live rural and get a great VDSL connection, be nice if it could be greater still :-)

 

 

Don't worry, ComCom will keep the regulation on Chorus so they can't raise prices willy nilly.


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  # 2286227 31-Jul-2019 09:16
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atomeara: Given this will mostly leave rural areas getting VDSL, I don't believe any faster profiles will be likely due to the distances in most cases and low number of users.

 

Chorus have just gone down the vectoring path and if you're close enough to the DSLAM (sub 100m) there are people getting real world connect rates above 100mbit.

 

So it's certainly not about speed as IMHO anything more than 40 down/10 up broadband is really just icing on the cake for large downloads as even a house of 5 people would struggle to consistently saturate a connection over 40mbit.

 

I think Chorus offer an excellent service to literally millions of kiwis in the regulated world they live in. So anyone complaining that Chorus aren't offering 30a/35b/Annex-M etc really have no idea about how to reliably deliver high quality mass market DSL services.






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  # 2286238 31-Jul-2019 09:34
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Yep you can get decent speeds out of VDSL if close enough.

 

 

 

 

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  # 2286249 31-Jul-2019 09:59
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cyril7:

 

Yep you can get decent speeds out of VDSL if close enough.

 

Cyril

 

 

And I am fairly sure the HG630 only has 100mbit LAN ports... so you could never get the full 110+ mbit speed without moving to the HG659 or another router that have GB Ports rather than 100mbit ports.

 

I still stand behind 40mbit+ is icing on the cake. Most typical browsing and streaming won't use more than 20mbit per person even at 4k.






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  # 2286250 31-Jul-2019 09:59
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BarTender:

 

So anyone complaining that Chorus aren't offering 30a/35b/Annex-M etc really have no idea about how to reliably deliver high quality mass market DSL services.

 

 

what's that @bartender? i recall you being a little sour about your upload speed on dsl ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  # 2286254 31-Jul-2019 10:01
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Yep correct is only has FE ports, but I can flood it, so yes I cannot get 110+ but happy with it, as its only a standby backup to our gig symmetric connection

 

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  # 2286256 31-Jul-2019 10:03
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hio77:

 

BarTender:

 

So anyone complaining that Chorus aren't offering 30a/35b/Annex-M etc really have no idea about how to reliably deliver high quality mass market DSL services.

 

 

what's that @bartender? i recall you being a little sour about your upload speed on dsl ;)

 

 

Yes, yes I was. but 450kbit (not even 1 mbit) was incredibly painful. Hence why saying at least 10mbit up (and see how I had already said that!) is vital too.






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  # 2286264 31-Jul-2019 10:23
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cyril7:

 

Yep correct is only has FE ports, but I can flood it, so yes I cannot get 110+ but happy with it, as its only a standby backup to our gig symmetric connection

 

Cyril 

 

 

Depending on what your provider does with the packets, it might not be the best experience...





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  # 2286269 31-Jul-2019 10:33
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Your the provider :), actually been meaning to replace this modem with a Metanoia, as the 630b is just bridged to the same router that has a Metanoia fitted but I never got around to finish it, and the Metanoia has no method of showing sync rates, hence I threw the 630 in when I set it up a few months back, just need to wander over to that building to patch across.

 

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  # 2286278 31-Jul-2019 10:52
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cyril7:

 

Your the provider :), actually been meaning to replace this modem with a Metanoia, as the 630b is just bridged to the same router that has a Metanoia fitted but I never got around to finish it, and the Metanoia has no method of showing sync rates, hence I threw the 630 in when I set it up a few months back, just need to wander over to that building to patch across.

 

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well then you will be ok dave has done magic :) still get a better speed by upgrading though!





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  # 2286634 31-Jul-2019 16:08
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BarTender:

 

Chorus have just gone down the vectoring path and if you're close enough to the DSLAM (sub 100m) there are people getting real world connect rates above 100mbit.

 

 

I'm 450m away (according to the Fritzbox), and I get 108Mbit down, 30Mbit up .. and can actually pull that much down as well.

 

I was just curious is the 30a and 35b profiles were out in the wild, and if enabled, would they allow me to squeeze a few more bits out the wire :)


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  # 2286646 31-Jul-2019 16:33
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Should point out that in my case the modem is approx 10m of cable from the ISAM, we have one in one of our server rooms. As for 30a/35b as Atomeara said, only 8b/17a is supported.

 

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  # 2286703 31-Jul-2019 16:54
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Mark:

 

BarTender:

 

Chorus have just gone down the vectoring path and if you're close enough to the DSLAM (sub 100m) there are people getting real world connect rates above 100mbit.

 

 

I'm 450m away (according to the Fritzbox), and I get 108Mbit down, 30Mbit up .. and can actually pull that much down as well.

 

I was just curious is the 30a and 35b profiles were out in the wild, and if enabled, would they allow me to squeeze a few more bits out the wire :)

 

 

The problem with DSL is crosstalk in the copper bundle especially when mixing ADSL and VDSL while still providing POTS service. That is why the trade-off is what it is.

 

And also if the VDSL product gets any faster the compelling reason to move to UFB for those in UFB areas is reduced, and why would Chorus want that?? 😉






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