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#256036 11-Sep-2019 15:20
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At the beginning of August Chorus contractors arrived to install the ETP and ONT at my house in Karori.

 

When they were about to install the cable from the house to the pole, my neighbour objected stating that this was a new cable and that they, the neighbours, had not granted a easement for it.

 

My existing telephone and DSL cable crossed the neighbours property, has done for 40 years, and there is no easement registered for this either.

 

The install has not been completed, and requests to Chorus don't provide any clarity about what will happen next.

 

Is an easement required, and will Chorus have to get one if they are replacing an existing cable with another?


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  #2315093 11-Sep-2019 15:23
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New cable (even if its replacing the existing) they have to provide a new easement, so yes they can reject you


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  #2315094 11-Sep-2019 15:36
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Installers SHOULD know that the only time you're allowed to work on aerial cables that trespass a property without an easement is to replace like for like to maintain service. You can replace a damaged copper with a new copper, but you can't replace it with anything other than a copper, and if it's ever removed intentionally, then it can't go back up again.
You'll need to get the contractors to rescope your install, and I'd suggest asking that they do it quickly as they've already made a mess of things.

 

Also, Chorus doesn't get the easement, you do, and it doesn't sound like your neighbours are willing to give you it.

 

@ChorusNZ want to help out this chap?





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  #2315095 11-Sep-2019 15:42
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Yip, prime case of "Aerial Trespass"...

 

 

 

The existing works will not have an easement, they will have been installed is the mists of time, by ether the post office or Telecom, both of whom would have had "The power of god" - or at least the government of the day... to trespass pretty much anywhere...

 

The 2001 Telecommunications Act grants lawful status to any existing communications infrastructure, so that's what allows it to be legal,

 

if you want to string a new cable across their land you will need to get your neighbours consent...-

 

Is there any reason they would withhold it?, or are they just ^%^*%ers 


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  #2315102 11-Sep-2019 15:55
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What sort of prat objects to one cable being replaced by another..

Your neighbours you cant escape each other.
Seems a very small hill to die on by your neighbours.

Next week when you think your neighbour is being burgled the lack of love they showed might stay a hand from the phone...

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  #2315108 11-Sep-2019 16:03
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Matters of aerial trespass can get a bit messy. 

 

@EnnisElf Please send us a DM with your address. Ill have a look whats going on here. ^Richard

 

 


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#2315122 11-Sep-2019 16:10
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Your neighbour must be an utter W**ker!




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  #2315123 11-Sep-2019 16:10
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PM sent


 
 
 
 


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  #2315139 11-Sep-2019 16:31
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Fill the tank of your mower with a lot of 2stroke mix and mow your lawns next time they seem to be enjoying being outside.





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  #2315142 11-Sep-2019 16:33
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afe66: What sort of prat objects to one cable being replaced by another..

 

My mothers fibre is underground, my mothers neighbours copper cable crossed my mothers driveway, we said no to force it underground (still allowed it to cross our driveway) neighbours were fine with that, even dug the trench

 

 

 

 


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  #2315153 11-Sep-2019 16:57
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afe66: What sort of prat objects to one cable being replaced by another..

 

What sort of company puts a brand-new multi-billion dollar network on poles?!

 

 

 

 

 

....But I also agree, what a douche.


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chevrolux:

 

afe66: What sort of prat objects to one cable being replaced by another..

 

What sort of company puts a brand-new multi-billion dollar network on poles?!

 

 

 

 

 

....But I also agree, what a douche.

 

 

A modern company with shareholders, of course.





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  #2315172 11-Sep-2019 18:00
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Our sewer line at the beach runs through 2 other properties. I was concerned that I'd need easements but as other houses have subsequently tapped into it the line has become a council line as soon as it leaves us. The people that could object rely on the line themselves.

The Chorus lines have always been network assets, why does the customer have to arrange the easements?

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  #2315180 11-Sep-2019 18:08
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It's the same as everything else - why would the council or powerboard want to mess around applying for an easement. It's not worth the investment.




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  #2315229 11-Sep-2019 20:04
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chevrolux:

 

afe66: What sort of prat objects to one cable being replaced by another..

 

What sort of company puts a brand-new multi-billion dollar network on poles?!

 

 

Very little of the UFB network is overhead. I can't recall the exact figure (and it was a couple of years ago so clearly could have changed in later years of the build) but I recall it was something around 85% underground in the Chorus build. There are actually very few areas where the actual network build is above ground.

 

Obviously the lead-in being overhead is something entirely different, and the lead-in being overhead is still the predominant method of connecting a property in most parts of the country where power is still delivered overhead.

 

Compare this with UFF and Northpower builds which are pretty much the exact opposite and probably 85% above ground, which enabled their build to be a lot quicker and cheaper than Chorus.

 

 


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  #2315237 11-Sep-2019 20:20
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afe66: What sort of prat objects to one cable being replaced by another..

Your neighbours you cant escape each other.
Seems a very small hill to die on by your neighbours.

Next week when you think your neighbour is being burgled the lack of love they showed might stay a hand from the phone...

 

Have you heard the expression, 'Hell is other people'?





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