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#265399 20-Jan-2020 10:02
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Hi folks, we are in a pickle at the moment please chime in

The main west coast line runs right through the middle of our property and has done since 2001/2002 no easement exists and as such we do not have the full use of our own private land we are currently on a 4g connection and fibre is not available

Moving the line is out of the question, so we are in the process of demanding they either purchase another 4 acre block OR they provide us with a fibre connection at THEIR cost however they need to do it

Its a shame we need to go to these extremes when this rollout was subsidised almost 100% by the government and chorus wont even shoulder the cost of the lead-ins instead opting to hire migrant workers on work visas




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  #2402033 20-Jan-2020 10:11
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Someone correct if I am wrong but, if the cable was present prior to the telecommunications amendment bill of 2001 been signed its now protected even without an easement

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  #2402036 20-Jan-2020 10:20
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@ub40boy1 2001 / 2002 would this be government funded?

 

Also what area are you speaking of which part of the West Coast?


 
 
 
 




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  #2402039 20-Jan-2020 10:30
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I dont have the exact date that the fibre was laid but there should have been an easement it is private property our grandfather was bullied into thinking he had no choice that the fibre had to go through the property since he is old he would have known no better

The area is in the king country near te kuiti

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  #2402042 20-Jan-2020 10:32
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Who owns the fibre? @sbiddle should know more I reckon




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  #2402046 20-Jan-2020 10:42
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The residential rollout customer facing was subsidised by the government, the backhaul which is what is through our property possibly was not

There is no dispute over who owns the cable, the issue is over the ongoing fact it is on the property and there is no compensation of any sort for the fact we cannot utilize our own land to the fullest it cannot be developed at all as it is through the heart of the property

The minimum we would accept is a fibre connection as compensation, i just was wondering if anyone else has epxperienced this

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  #2402047 20-Jan-2020 10:48
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Did your grandfather sign any paper work? This is the first thing I would checking




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  #2402050 20-Jan-2020 10:52
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No nothing at all, he remembers the day the telecom contractors turned up with tractor and mullplow and said they were here to lay an important cable for the country so naturally he assumed that he had no choice when a bunch of people turn up with machinery

Instead of keeping it against the fenceline it went directly through the guts

 
 
 
 


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  #2402100 20-Jan-2020 10:57
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Hi, as this is backhaul fibre there is no direct UFB in it, so to supply you with UFB from this either a new tail would need to be run just for you from the nearest splice point, which could be 1 or more km away, and even then its unlikely that a UFB accessible fibre is in the bundle to access, so the cost to do what you are after is probably way more than any reasonable compenstaion.

 

Further, I would doubt Chorus would want to start any precedence, that could get waaayyy out of control.

 

Cyril


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  #2402185 20-Jan-2020 11:08
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Was the cable laid before 1 April 1989?


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  #2402210 20-Jan-2020 12:00
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As above, back-haul and retail UFB, while related, are two totally different things. It's similar to national grid power pylons crossing a farm - you can't simply hook a house up to the pylons - there is a bunch of expensive equipment that needs to convert it down to a retail level and it simply isn't economic to do it for a small quantity of customers. 

 

Businesses don't walk past potential customers - if it was as simple as splicing in to an exiting cable, you and your neighbours would have salesmen trying to sell you a fibre deal.




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  #2402266 20-Jan-2020 12:11
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I am fully aware that backhaul is different, there is copper in the same trench as the fibre that was laid in 1988, there are 2 pits 600m north and about 300m south of our property, there could be a splitter etc housed in either pit

 

Regarding your comment Cyril about compensation... what would you define as a fair deal? as far as we are concerned we are providing options for chorus to do the right thing which is more than fair instead of take, take take because after all their preach is "Better Broadband" in a nutshell isnt it?

 

The bottom line is a very important cable is preventing us from utilizing the land period & they need to do the ethical thing here, most of the country has access to fibre


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  #2402339 20-Jan-2020 13:29
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So it's been there for 20~ish years, you were fine with it then and now you want suddenly want compensation... because?




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  #2402351 20-Jan-2020 13:32
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Yep its been there that long, and now that me and my wife have moved in and pay the bills im doing something about it


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  #2402357 20-Jan-2020 13:40
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So you say you cannot do what you want on the land, which I can understand, but what exactly can you not do, I presume grazing stock is not a problem, and cropping is also possible? 

 

What limitations are there.

 

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