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Topic # 29460 7-Jan-2009 18:54
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Out of frustration and anguish over my Torrent Speeds, I searched around and found some cool tools to check if your ISP's are Tools.


http://www.canyouseeme.org/  This link is pretty much an open port checker. Great for diagnosing why your dloads are slow.


example:  Error: I could not see your service on xxx.xx.xx.xx on port (6881)
                Reason: Connection timed out                                                     

(your ISP is Messing with it)

http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest.php
This one runs a java applet which tests ports and http traffic and puts it into a nice graph to send your ISP with a letter titled "Please Explain"

Anyways ISP's are big companies so good luck sticking it to them.

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  Reply # 188067 7-Jan-2009 19:16
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First off, before you go complaining, ensure that you are using a non standard port in your client (ie something above 10000), a random number. 6881 i believe fits in the common torrent ports range so change it.
Secondly, make sure your modem is definitely forwarding it correctly to your computer.



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  Reply # 188068 7-Jan-2009 19:28
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eXDee: First off, before you go complaining, ensure that you are using a non standard port in your client (ie something above 10000), a random number. 6881 i believe fits in the common torrent ports range so change it.
Secondly, make sure your modem is definitely forwarding it correctly to your computer.


You didnt read my post. I was not complaining nor encouraging people to complain. Please explain is how you would advise your ISP that you know what they are doing and that you want an explanation from them as to their interferrence with your data packets.


I am sure anyone who wants to use a random port and then forward it through their router would be able to use that port number as an example. perhaps uPnP.

example:
  Error: I could not see your service on xxx.xx.xx.xx on port (6881)
                Reason: Connection timed out      

I see ISP's as a courier service/company.

They provided the medium for data transport from one place to another.

If you sent a box of chocolates to your friend by courier, do you expect them to open the box, inspect the chocolates one by one, handling them in a way they can identify what type they are (unwrapping them) then hand them over to him saying enjoy the chocolates?                                               

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 188070 7-Jan-2009 19:41
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deicidal:

Out of frustration and anguish over my Torrent Speeds, I searched around and found some cool tools to check if your ISP's are Tools.


http://www.canyouseeme.org/  This link is pretty much an open port checker. Great for diagnosing why your dloads are slow.


example:  Error: I could not see your service on xxx.xx.xx.xx on port (6881)
                Reason: Connection timed out                                                     

(your ISP is Messing with it)

http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest.php
This one runs a java applet which tests ports and http traffic and puts it into a nice graph to send your ISP with a letter titled "Please Explain"

Anyways ISP's are big companies so good luck sticking it to them.



um... just because the site cant see the port doesnt automatically mean the ISP is playing "funny buggers".

As mentioned, port 6881 is commonly blacklisted by ISPs anyway so as already mentioned by exDee use a non standard port. I use port 8000 myself. Make sure that you have forwarded the port in your modem/router also.

Most torrent clients will confirm if they can see the port or not with an indication that "NAT" is fine.. Been a while since i've used torrents but on Azureus, NAT turned green. No Nat means that you can connect to other peers but those same peers may not necessarily be able to connect to you :-)





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  Reply # 188075 7-Jan-2009 19:50
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deicidal:

Out of frustration and anguish over my Torrent Speeds...

example:  Error: I could not see your service on xxx.xx.xx.xx on port (6881)
                Reason: Connection timed out                                                     

(your ISP is Messing with it)



Have you forwarded the ports you need from your router to the correct PC? Do you have a static IP address on your PC so the port forward always work?

If you fail to do this in first place then those "test sites" won't work, your torrents will fail, and you can't blame the ISP.





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  Reply # 188079 7-Jan-2009 19:55
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deicidal:      

I see ISP's as a courier service/company.

They provided the medium for data transport from one place to another.

If you sent a box of chocolates to your friend by courier, do you expect them to open the box, inspect the chocolates one by one, handling them in a way they can identify what type they are (unwrapping them) then hand them over to him saying enjoy the chocolates?                                               


No put as a Telco is just like a courier company, they do have the right to control what you 'send' ie, courier post will not allow you to send flamable/explosives/liquids etc etc. How is that any different?
If a Telco believes you are transmitting/receiving/obtaining pirated material, then they can stop you. So long as it is in your T&C's when you joined up. Or as required by law...

I am not sure why you are calling ISP's Tools. And as others have pointed out, 99% of the time the reason for poor torrent speeds comes down to the end user not doing something correctly.



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Reply # 188089 7-Jan-2009 20:36
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Once again: Example.

I used 6881 as an example.

example?

I know how to forward ports. I wasnt complaining. I was providing two useful links.

Try posting your Tips rather than trying to school me on troubleshooting my torrent speed. I am on xnet so I know plenty about poor dload speed and the need to make sure you are forwarding ports of even placing your PC in the DMZ.

I have access to 5x 10mbps VDSL circuits at work and two dedicated 5mbps and 2mbps fibre internet pipes which are not shaped or tampered with.

If you have anything useful about exposing adsl shaping post forth. quit trying to school the schooled.

Geeze just cause I am new to your forum doesnt mean I am a geek wannabe. There is IT and life outside Geekzone. Thanks for your concern.



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  Reply # 188094 7-Jan-2009 20:46
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rscole86:
1)ie, courier post will not allow you to send flamable/explosives/liquids etc etc. How is that any different?

2)I am not sure why you are calling ISP's Tools.

3)And as others have pointed out, 99% of the time the reason for poor torrent speeds comes down to the end user not doing something correctly.


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1: I know of people who have had stuff sent by air mail that could blow up, stupid yes, but did it happen. Yes
There are many things posted that are against terms and agreements of courier companies. Do you expect a courier to open every package to verify the contents?

2: Tell me one cool ISP? do you enjoy paying for upload and download when your friend is paying to dload your upload? Is that double charging? may I say, if you are not cool, you are a tool?

3: I take it your on Xnet and you are dloading at fullspeed 24/7... yes? No?

Please have an admin ban me and kick me from these forums. I can't bear the forum nonsence here.

Where is everyones sense of humor. I work in IT and my team has tonnes of fun at work. you guys have jobs?

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  Reply # 188097 7-Jan-2009 21:02
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I suspect that most of the throughput related speed issues on ISPs such as World Exchange, Orcon and others stem from the lack of International bandwidth to the ISP or aggresive rate-shaping as opposed to the lack of national transit or your ISP blocking connections on any specific ports. AsiaNet.com seems in my experience to be the weak link in the above examples (at least when compared with Telecoms Global Gateway or TelstraClear for instance).

Most ISPs no doubt prioritise traffic over P2P traffic as well. You'd be naive to believe otherwise. It's not outright denial of service however (which your link attempts to prove).




Please note: Any posts, comments, or contributions in this forum are posted by me as an individual acting in my own right and do not necessarily reflect the views of any company I work for, clients I've consulted for or anyone else.

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Reply # 188098 7-Jan-2009 21:03
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deicidal:
rscole86:
1)ie, courier post will not allow you to send flamable/explosives/liquids etc etc. How is that any different?

2)I am not sure why you are calling ISP's Tools.

3)And as others have pointed out, 99% of the time the reason for poor torrent speeds comes down to the end user not doing something correctly.


reply:

1: I know of people who have had stuff sent by air mail that could blow up, stupid yes, but did it happen. Yes
There are many things posted that are against terms and agreements of courier companies. Do you expect a courier to open every package to verify the contents?

2: Tell me one cool ISP? do you enjoy paying for upload and download when your friend is paying to dload your upload? Is that double charging? may I say, if you are not cool, you are a tool?

3: I take it your on Xnet and you are dloading at fullspeed 24/7... yes? No?

Please have an admin ban me and kick me from these forums. I can't bear the forum nonsence here.

Where is everyones sense of humor. I work in IT and my team has tonnes of fun at work. you guys have jobs?
Is the NAT indicator on your torrent client red or green? If its red then you probably arent forwarding the port correctly and this could be whats causing you to get poor download speeds.

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Reply # 188099 7-Jan-2009 21:08
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deicidal: Once again: Example.

I used 6881 as an example.

example?

I know how to forward ports. I wasnt complaining. I was providing two useful links.

Try posting your Tips rather than trying to school me on troubleshooting my torrent speed. I am on xnet so I know plenty about poor dload speed and the need to make sure you are forwarding ports of even placing your PC in the DMZ.

I have access to 5x 10mbps VDSL circuits at work and two dedicated 5mbps and 2mbps fibre internet pipes which are not shaped or tampered with.

If you have anything useful about exposing adsl shaping post forth. quit trying to school the schooled.

Geeze just cause I am new to your forum doesnt mean I am a geek wannabe. There is IT and life outside Geekzone. Thanks for your concern.


Geez, I say. Your first post in this thread gave me - and it seems everyone else - that you found the tools because of problems with your speeds. You even accuse the ISP with messing one's ports without giving the advice to first check that everyone is correctly configured on the client side.

The way you wrote it made it sound like anytime something is wrong is the ISPs' fault.

Then everyone, being the good guys they are around here, tried to help by giving some advice.

Instead what they get is your post slaping everyone in the face.






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  Reply # 188109 7-Jan-2009 21:39
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IS your ISP doing anything with your Ports?

Wow an admin. please check my post title 'Is your ISP doing anything with your Ports'

Not 'help me configure my torrent client'.

I thought there might be a few CCNA geeks or at least ISP peeps wanting to speak out in these forums. Perhaps I came to the wrong geekzone.

I see why I usually stick to my IT contacts and not try Forums. (as was suggested by Xnet roflmao)

Thanks for trying to help guys but it looks like this topic may be out of everyones depth.

anyone have any Juniper experience? the hint from technician was non cisco. Perhaps if we understand the hardware shaping it may lead to an exploit to gain full speed.

Cisco security experience?

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Reply # 188110 7-Jan-2009 21:42
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Since it is clear that you are not in here for help - and since I feel the tone used in the last post will make a lot of people unhappy I will simply lock this thread to avoid people feeding this discussion.




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