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Topic # 82160 22-Apr-2011 11:50
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I'd like to arrange automated backups between some of my family members using a P2P backup program (CrashPlan). But I'm worried about blowing my bandwidth allowance if one of my family puts a large file on their computer. I know that national or on-net traffic could be a lot cheaper for consumers in NZ, but I'm unable to find information about ISPs that actually offer reduced rates for these types of traffic.

Can anyone help me out?

Here's what I know so far:


  • I'm currently with Maxnet, and they charge all traffic at the same rate.

  • I've heard informally that that InSPire do offer free on-net traffic.


Thanks!

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  Reply # 461600 22-Apr-2011 15:03
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The aren't many ISP's that offer free on net or free national. All the ones that do have awful performance or are aimed at business use and cost $$$

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  Reply # 461626 22-Apr-2011 16:42
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The only free "on-net" traffic most ISPs do is to their own DC/caches (Like xnet). traffic between customers on the same ISP doesn't count as on-net, that's national. (Because it might/does have to go through telecoms/other pipes)

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 461630 22-Apr-2011 16:51
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You could look at Orconwho can offer a private VPN between DSL connections (that has unlimited data transfer). Or look for an ISP who offers free National e.g. Xtreme Networks:

http://www.xtreme.net.nz/connections/adsl.php

(their VDSL2 plans start at $149)





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  Reply # 461638 22-Apr-2011 17:31
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Slingshot have no cap between 2am-8am on the full speed plans.

I use it for torrents and backing up all my personal and business files using Mozy

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  Reply # 461655 22-Apr-2011 18:47
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If anyone needs this, we do it for businesses at a business cost, however can offer a select amount of people a residential offering as we have a lot of unused bandwidth (few hundred mbps international) at night time because we are a business ISP.

Pm me if you'd like more info or to take advantage of this. We will only be doing it for the more tech savvy people as we don't deal with residential only businesses who have their own IT support :) Support is also only offered during business hours unless their is a full network issue obviously.





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  Reply # 461675 22-Apr-2011 20:45
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icepicknz: If anyone needs this, we do it for businesses at a business cost, however can offer a select amount of people a residential offering as we have a lot of unused bandwidth (few hundred mbps international) at night time because we are a business ISP.

Pm me if you'd like more info or to take advantage of this. We will only be doing it for the more tech savvy people as we don't deal with residential only businesses who have their own IT support :) Support is also only offered during business hours unless their is a full network issue obviously.


Yes, I PMed you earlier as it looks just right. Also checking out the other options! Smile



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  Reply # 461676 22-Apr-2011 20:54
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kyhwana2: The only free "on-net" traffic most ISPs do is to their own DC/caches (Like xnet). traffic between customers on the same ISP doesn't count as on-net, that's national. (Because it might/does have to go through telecoms/other pipes)


I don't mind if it costs something, but I'm keen on it costing a lot less than international traffic!

Seriously, I'd be happy to pay in proportion to the cost. How much does it cost to transport nationally vs internationally anyway?

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  Reply # 461678 22-Apr-2011 21:07
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richd:
kyhwana2: The only free "on-net" traffic most ISPs do is to their own DC/caches (Like xnet). traffic between customers on the same ISP doesn't count as on-net, that's national. (Because it might/does have to go through telecoms/other pipes)


I don't mind if it costs something, but I'm keen on it costing a lot less than international traffic!

Seriously, I'd be happy to pay in proportion to the cost. How much does it cost to transport nationally vs internationally anyway?


From what i've been hearing, national vs international is about the same or not _that_ much cheaper.


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  Reply # 461696 22-Apr-2011 22:37
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International Prices have come down quite a lot and now national bandwidth can actually be more expensive to provision.


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  Reply # 461766 23-Apr-2011 12:38
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Umm either your getting ripped off for your national or your international is insanely cheap, National transit is anywhere from 10% to 60% the cost of International depending on volume




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  Reply # 461900 24-Apr-2011 01:01
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richd: I'd like to arrange automated backups between some of my family members using a P2P backup program (CrashPlan). But I'm worried about blowing my bandwidth allowance if one of my family puts a large file on their computer. I know that national or on-net traffic could be a lot cheaper for consumers in NZ, but I'm unable to find information about ISPs that actually offer reduced rates for these types of traffic.

Can anyone help me out?

Here's what I know so far:






      • I'm currently with Maxnet, and they charge all traffic at the same rate.









      • I've heard informally that that InSPire do offer free on-net traffic.







Thanks!


If you're already with Maxnet then just sign up to Maxnet Cloud Backup / Datalock via the members center or by calling up. The backup software allows you to do an initial backup seed via a USB hard drive if you like , and from then onwards incrementals are done over the DSL which is zero rated.

Cheers,



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  Reply # 461937 24-Apr-2011 11:17
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insane:
If you're already with Maxnet then just sign up to Maxnet Cloud Backup / Datalock via the members center or by calling up. The backup software allows you to do an initial backup seed via a USB hard drive if you like , and from then onwards incrementals are done over the DSL which is zero rated.


It's good that transfers a free, but I an example ongoing cost of $1/GB/month. If I backed up data for more than a few months then it would be cheaper just to pay full price for a transfer. (But maybe there are other pricing options?)

The service is obviously good for a business where they have management costs to think about; it's just less good for me. :)

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  Reply # 461963 24-Apr-2011 14:37
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Ok, thinking outside of the square here, Maxnet do a managed WAN solution over DSL. ie sites tied together into an MPLS cloud.

Each site would need to have a Maxnet DSL connection and the data between sites can be zero rated.




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  Reply # 462116 25-Apr-2011 12:15
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insane: Ok, thinking outside of the square here, Maxnet do a managed WAN solution over DSL. ie sites tied together into an MPLS cloud.

Each site would need to have a Maxnet DSL connection and the data between sites can be zero rated.

Thanks for taking the time to think about a solution for me. That actually sounds pretty much perfect... except for the price (for me). Smile That's only because I'm trying to be a cheapskate and find a DIY solution based on my dream of cheaper national or on-net data. If I was being practical I'd just earn a few more $ by working a bit longer at the office and then buy a bigger data allowance for me and my family!

(start whine) Flat rates seem to be the only option for consumer packages. Fair enough I suppose because most people buying broadband look at stated up/download speeds and their GB allowance. They'd hardly be interested in e.g. more expensive at peak time, less off peak, more expensive for international, less for national, even less for on-net. Personally I'd be keen on differentiated pricing, despite the complexity, because I like the idea of using cheaper bandwidth for some applications. And also cheap, rather than free, data appeals to me because I think that "free" tends to lead to overuse, bringing down service levels. Probably also undifferentiated pricing is part of the reason why the NZ net gets congested every evening and then (I guess) sits idle through the night. (end whine)

I should also say that I think Maxnet is excellent. I'm happy with the speed and the support is excellent and speedy. The only think I don't like is the harsh excess use charge - $10/2GB!

PS: I thought Tim's writeup of NZ ISP traffic flow was very interesting.
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/muppet/7448

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  Reply # 462171 25-Apr-2011 15:10
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If you are wanting an ISP that doesn't have flat rate charging, consider Xnet. Fixed monthly charge, then you get charged per GB. You set your own data cap, and if exceeded, it will throttle (or you can pay for more data...).


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