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#96572 31-Jan-2012 12:01

Not sure if this is the correct forum to ask this, does anyone know if you can still get a leased line between two points from Telecom or Chorus? Basically just a copper pair between a couple of sites 1k apart?

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#575256 31-Jan-2012 12:10

Why would you?

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#575259 31-Jan-2012 12:12

I think it is possible although remember it would have to go back to the nearest junction box (could even be Exchange) for them to be jumpered across so could be far further than 1km. No line of site for fixed wireless?

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#575286 31-Jan-2012 13:06

Zeon: I think it is possible although remember it would have to go back to the nearest junction box (could even be Exchange) for them to be jumpered across so could be far further than 1km. No line of site for fixed wireless?

Yep there is a cabinet (junction box) right outside building one, but as you say it may go back to the exchange.

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#575308 31-Jan-2012 13:46

DonGould: Why would you?

Point to point circuit. These were very common in the old days, but I haven't heard of them being connected for a number of years now.

The possibilities are endless - including running VDSL2 entenders for a 50Mbps symmetrical P2P link for a dirt cheap price.

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#575309 31-Jan-2012 13:47

sbiddle:
DonGould: Why would you?

Point to point circuit. These were very common in the old days, but I haven't heard of them being connected for a number of years now.

The possibilities are endless - including running VDSL2 entenders for a 50Mbps symmetrical P2P link for a dirt cheap price.

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#575344 31-Jan-2012 14:41

Probably best to phone up Chorus to see if they can offer the service? I bet they will be super confused when you call =p. I don't know anyone else who could offer you this service apart from them?

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#575347 31-Jan-2012 14:45

kiwitrc:
sbiddle:
DonGould: Why would you?

Point to point circuit. These were very common in the old days, but I haven't heard of them being connected for a number of years now.

The possibilities are endless - including running VDSL2 entenders for a 50Mbps symmetrical P2P link for a dirt cheap price.

Bingo

But you won't get 50Mbps over probably 2km or more that would be required for jumpering at the exchange, and possibly degraded further by bridged taps (multiples)etc on both lines. No line of sight for a 802.11n wireless link? You could put the antenna on a pole or tower if needed.

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#575371 31-Jan-2012 15:23

DonGould: Why would you?

Perhaps more to the point, why would Chorus or any other network operator want to offer that?

Jumper at the exchange and the customer complains about performance (long line)... or tries to push a higher level into the line, then we have fun and games with crosstalk into other services.

Or jumper at the cabinet and the customer calls about a line fault... where is the line test equipment?
...at the exchange.

Major headache for the operator for minimal revenue and meanwhile the customer will be complaining on geekzone and everywhere else about how long it takes to fix a simple problem and how terrible the performance is after Chorus installed that new cabinet down the road.

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#575394 31-Jan-2012 16:00

sbiddle:

Point to point circuit. These were very common in the old days, but I haven't heard of them being connected for a number of years now.

The possibilities are endless - including running VDSL2 entenders for a 50Mbps symmetrical P2P link for a dirt cheap price.

Telecom jumped in to stop similar attempts being launched in 1998. Leased circuits were by bandwidth and often derived not raw copper. L1 dc circuits were frozen in 1995ish.

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#575509 31-Jan-2012 19:02

alexx:
DonGould: Why would you?
Perhaps more to the point, why would Chorus or any other network operator want to offer that?

ya... everyone has covered out what I was thinking when I posted.

* why not wireless ptp?
* will what ever you put on the copper cause noise the carrier will be unhappy about?
* will you get the distance you expect?
* will the link have T's in it or other nasties?
* what will it cost a month and would a couple of Nanostations be cheaper?

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#575529 31-Jan-2012 19:57

I was still a Downer inside plant tech when Telecom finally realised that a copper LDC (leased data connection) could be used as a DSL bearer by enterprising customers. They got the fix right- they instructed us to install noise chokes into new LDCs. No mention was ever made of existing ones and the actual instruction itself was buried in a technical practice manual that very people were aware of, let alone read. As for making them derived circuits- this might have been done on occasion but not as standard practice outside cities.

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#575930 1-Feb-2012 15:19

Did this just recently for a company, went through Gen-i, got a 1G unlimited transfer fibre link between two sites about 10-12KM away.

Worked a treat :D

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#575939 1-Feb-2012 15:25

You can get P2P circuits, copper or fibre based, from ISPs or telcos. Under new legislations Chorus is not allow to sell their services direct to customers, only to service providers.

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#576017 1-Feb-2012 18:08

We have just finished cabling out Ezibuy's international data centre here in Palmy and they lease a fibre from Telecom. 100mb link to aucks. But would highly doubt they would do something for a km down the road. The closest thing you would get is a managed data circuit with VPN between the sites.

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#576023 1-Feb-2012 18:37

A client has a leased piece of copper from Krd to Queen St in Auckland.
They use their own gear at each end.

Hmmmm

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