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Topic # 96906 7-Feb-2012 11:19
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Hi, 

I currently a Telstra customer on the cable service in Wellington.

It isn't unlimited and it isn't the cheapest but it is fast and it is, in my experience, very reliable. These are more important to me. 

Has anybody had Telstra cable and then changed to another provider which they found significantly better? Or worse for that matter. 

If so what made it better?
  • The price? 
  • The unlimited or bigger cap? 
  • The speed?
  • Something completely different? 
One of the reasons I am thinking of changing is the VPN + NetFlix combo. Unlimited data is attractive but speed is more of a priority.

I am not interested in comments on the customer service of whatever ISP, I know they all have off days and I can live with that. 

Kind regards,  




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  Reply # 578114 7-Feb-2012 11:31
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crackrdbycracku:One of the reasons I am thinking of changing is the VPN + NetFlix combo. Unlimited data is attractive but speed is more of a priority.


So you're asking us to make recommendations so you can break copy right law?






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  Reply # 578116 7-Feb-2012 11:38
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DonGould:
crackrdbycracku:One of the reasons I am thinking of changing is the VPN + NetFlix combo. Unlimited data is attractive but speed is more of a priority.


So you're asking us to make recommendations so you can break copy right law?





Using Netflix (or services such as US iTunes) does not break copyright laws. If anything, it only breaks the terms and conditions of the service.

My personal view (INAL) which is also shared by some lawyers I do know is that using US based services such as Netflix in NZ is legal, and is no different to parallel importing which is legal in NZ.


    

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  Reply # 578128 7-Feb-2012 12:08
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sbiddle:  My personal view (INAL) which is also shared by some lawyers I do know is that using US based services such as Netflix in NZ is legal, and is no different to parallel importing which is legal in NZ.    


INAL either, however I have worked with content producers for a number of years. 

Content that Netflix provide is licensed by territory.  This means that the people who made the movie sell the rights to Netflix for distribution  for a given area.  This is why you need a VPN from the US to get the content because IP addresses are GEOCoded to an physical area.

While you may not be breaking the law by 'parallel importing' the content, NetFlix is breaking the law by selling to customers that are not physically located in the United States.

NetFlix don't own rights to the content to provided it to you in New Zealand. 

I do agree with the suggestion that if we were talking about a physical item such as a laptop, which Toshiba Japan sold to the US market for $100 but were selling to the New Zealand market for $500, so you then import them ex USA (parallel importing) that the only issue is the 'sales contract' between your supplier in USA and the manufacture in Japan.  So while a contract has been broken, there is no breach of law.  (Again, I'm not a US lawyer and I may be wrong about even this being a breach of US law.)

However, in this case, NetFlix don't own the content rights to sell it to New Zealanders.  The VPN provider also doesn't own rights to on sell the content to New Zealanders.






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  Reply # 578140 7-Feb-2012 12:21
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DonGould: 

NetFlix don't own rights to the content to provided it to you in New Zealand. 



NZ specifically allows parallel importing and region free players for physical media/content eg: dvd's, blueray, etc... Ignoring the regional rights artificial scarcity monopolistic bad practice of content providers. 

I don't see why we wouldn't for digital content.

Is "digital" parallel important not already covered in the general wording of our current law?

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  Reply # 578144 7-Feb-2012 12:32
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Ragnor:  I don't see why we wouldn't for digital content.


The issue is that Netflix don't own the content rights to sell it to you.

DVD's aren't relevant.  In generating revenue from the New Zealand market place copyright law is being broken.





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  Reply # 578145 7-Feb-2012 12:34
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DonGould:
Ragnor:  I don't see why we wouldn't for digital content.


The issue is that Netflix don't own the content rights to sell it to you.

DVD's aren't relevant.  In generating revenue from the New Zealand market place copyright law is being broken.




Here was me thinking the issues was how other ISPs compare to Telstra cable.

Look, the megaupload string is probably still active can you please take copyright discussions there? 

My comment about VPNs and NetFlix was in passing, you can just pretend I didn't say it.  




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  Reply # 578157 7-Feb-2012 12:55
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freitasm: Please stop this off topic discussion.

Don, please stop hijacking discussions.


Sorry.

OP - I would check out the Slingshot $60 unlimited deal. 

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=91900 - there has been a lot of discussion.

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  Reply # 578162 7-Feb-2012 13:06
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TBH I don't think that there is that much difference in quality between cable and adsl if you are in an area that has been cabinetised, unless upload is particularly important to you. I was on cable 2 or 3 years ago and had some issues when they were trying to sort out their vlans. I switched to WxC and then more recently onto SNAP. I'm a pretty low user, but I haven't had any more issues with adsl than we used to have with cable since we got cabinetised (speed was pretty low pre-cabinetisation). My primary motive for both moves was price.

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  Reply # 578164 7-Feb-2012 13:10
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I would only consider a move to a VDSL2 offering, I wouldn't go with ADSL2+, purely because the upstream is too slow.

The problem is you're ultimately going to be paying a lot more for that.


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  Reply # 578190 7-Feb-2012 13:46
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crackrdbycracku: Has anybody had Telstra cable and then changed to another provider which they found significantly better? Or worse for that matter. 

Yes, I had Telstra cable, switched to ADSL2 for a few months, then went back to cable.

I switched to ADSL to get much more data, and so I didn't have to pay for a phone line.

I switched back to cable because ADSL was unreliable, higher latency, my ISP started throttling, Telstra provided 'naked cable' plans (or at least publicised them), it was less expensive, and because Telecom would not get one cent of my money (aside from Southern Cross Cable revenue).

Unless there is a HUGE disparity in data caps or pricing I never intend to switch back to using the copper twisted pair.

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  Reply # 578219 7-Feb-2012 14:28
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I have both Telstra Cable and a backup ADSL connection with Slingshot (unlimited). I've had the Telstra link for about 18 months and ADSL for 3 months, and in those 3 months I've had zero downtime with Slingshot and about 14 hours of downtime with Telstra (excluding the power outages we've been having in the past couple of weeks). I do however live in the inner eastern suburbs of Christchurch and the Telstra link has only been super unreliable since the earthquakes, the node that I'm connected to seems to keep losing power (according to Telstra).

The links are reasonably comparable:
Down speed: TC: 15Mb/s, SS: 15.6Mb/s
Up speed: TC: 2Mb/s, SS: 980Kb/s - a big reason why I still use Telstra as a primary link
Ping to Gamers United TF2 servers - TC: 30-35ms, SS: 40ms 
Data: TC: 60MB, SS: Unlimited

For the moment I'm going to keep the Telstra link, upstream is a big deal to me as a developer who works from home. I don't have access to VDSL (I'm about 4-5 houses away from the available area), once that's available I'll probably ditch Telstra.

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  Reply # 578249 7-Feb-2012 15:13
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You may like to consider the independent Truenet results. Truenet stated in its 6 Jan 2012 news release:

"TelstraClear Cable remains the best performer compared to all ADSL suppliers."

You can find more on the Truenet website.

Hope this is useful.

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  Reply # 578250 7-Feb-2012 15:16
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Thanks everybody. 

Looks like I am staying with Telstra for the moment.

It just works as it says on the tin and there is no ambiguity about what is being provided.

Thanks again.  




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  Reply # 578281 7-Feb-2012 16:16
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Except when they choose to do an "all you can eat weekend", then the service is shocking, an it's very ambiguous as to what  you get.  I'm still cross about that....

crackrdbycracku: Thanks everybody. 

Looks like I am staying with Telstra for the moment.

It just works as it says on the tin and there is no ambiguity about what is being provided.

Thanks again.  

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