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#87145 20-Jul-2011 23:23

Hi

I've been trying to work out what the occasional PC speaker beeping has been for some time and think it's heat related.

Turns out this PC has only the stock CPU fan and a fan on the graphics card and that's it.

Speedfan reports:

GPU 63c - Temp 2 70c - Temp 3 59c - core 59c | reported by speedfan. So my random beeps are temp related? Only 1 fan reports rpm.

I've got Temp2 up to 76c when doing some CPU intensive stuff so think that's the CPU temp.
What temp is TOO hot? Speedfan reports all the above are.

Thanks.

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#496036 20-Jul-2011 23:51

Those temps sound bad. Is your BIOS set to alert when things get too hot? Are your fans dusty?
Does SpeedFan show little flame icons?

GPU temp sounds tolerable, but not ideal. If it gets to 80° I'd be quite worried.

Temp2 sounds dangerous, and the others are probably borderline.

If you download Speccy, it might give more specific temperature details:
http://www.piriform.com/speccy

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#496041 21-Jul-2011 00:11

a case fan wouldnt go a miss on that setup :)

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#496096 21-Jul-2011 09:23

The heatsink for the cpu is a little dusty.. I can blow that out with a can of compressed air.

Temps are a bit lower this morning, probably cos it's cold here. Speccy seems to back up the temps.

Operating System
   MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
CPU
   AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+   60 °C
   Windsor 90nm Technology
RAM
   2.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 376MHz (5-6-6-18)
Motherboard
   Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. GA-M56S-S3 (Socket M2)   27 °C
Graphics
   Generic Non-PnP Monitor (1920x1200@60Hz)
   256MB GeForce 7300 GS (ASUStek Computer Inc)   61 °C
Hard Drives
   313GB Seagate ST3320620SV ATA Device (SATA)   35 °C
   313GB Seagate ST3320620SV ATA Device (SATA)   36 °C
Optical Drives
   ASUS DRW-20B1LT ATA Device
Audio
   M-Audio Delta Audiophile

Speedfan does indeed have flames showing on the CPU and Graphics. I'm going to order a case fan now. My MB only supports one case fan. (Gigabyte GA-M56S-S3)

ChrisNZL: Those temps sound bad. Is your BIOS set to alert when things get too hot? Are your fans dusty?
Does SpeedFan show little flame icons?

GPU temp sounds tolerable, but not ideal. If it gets to 80° I'd be quite worried.

Temp2 sounds dangerous, and the others are probably borderline.

If you download Speccy, it might give more specific temperature details:
http://www.piriform.com/speccy

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#496127 21-Jul-2011 10:19

Those temps do seem to be very high.

FYI - after a quick look I see this forum is discussing the same issue for the CPU and even recommend checking the thermal past between CPU and cooler. http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=98292

I wouldnot worry about only one Motherboard fan controller - you could always buy a aftermarket fan controller like I had in my old case or wire a second quiet fan direct to the PSU for some real suck.

FYI - since I upgraded to i5 2500k - even midly overclocked at 4.3ghz - my CPU temps are only registering 26% max - and thats with one case fam cranked back to 40%. Or should I say "cool eh" :-)

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#496254 21-Jul-2011 13:29

Case fan will help a little bit (blowing air out of the case is probably best). And try getting rid of the dust.

After that, if you're still having issues, might need to rejigger the CPU/heatsink thermal paste as D1023319 suggested.

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#496256 21-Jul-2011 13:36

Gpu is in the ok range. Case fan will help. Cpu is getting to the high end.

Be sure to read the specific thermal paste instructions for your cpu. Re-apply is a good idea because it will allow you to take the heatsink off and clean it & fan enclosure properly.

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#496270 21-Jul-2011 14:01

Case fan ordered.. will also blow the dust out. Hesitant on removing the heat sink as I have always had trouble removing and putting them back in the past. I can't remember what the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ is like in regards to the heatsink removal/re-attaching? Socket A was always a nightmare!

Yes, haven't done the add/remove of CPU heatsinks for a while now... :)

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#496277 21-Jul-2011 14:10

Ah, you have the same CPU as me. My dusty stock cooler ran the CPU at about 60-63C too.

I replaced the stock cooler an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PRO Rev.2 and it sits at 27-35C now. Came with pre-applied paste, though it was a still bear to attach.

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#496295 21-Jul-2011 15:06

Thanks ChrisNZL.. That looks/sounds like a good cooler... That's also a very good price.
I'll try the case fan and cleaning out the heatsink... will then consider getting this cooler if the temps are still on the high side. Ah the push pins... slightly better than the dreaded 'press the metal clip down hard with a srewdriver' days of the Socket A (fearing either breakage of the MB or slippage of the screwdriver causing untold mayhem on the MB) :)

Will let you know how I get on.

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#534083 16-Oct-2011 20:55

Ok got active today and cleaned out PC. A lot of dust in the heatsink fans.
Surprised it was still going!

Now PC is at 40c under normal load. Under some load around 58.. Much better!

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#534085 16-Oct-2011 21:05

Not so sure about the temps personally, I have a MacBook Air and (while it is not the same) it gets up to around 90-99*C depending on what you are doing.

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#534092 16-Oct-2011 21:19

Lower is better I would say :)

Difficult here since we are decorating and there is much dust flying around.

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#534248 17-Oct-2011 12:30

Those temps are high but are within limits for that processor, I think. 58 under load is pretty good, my i7 gets to 52 under full load with a huge Noctuna heatsink that has two 140mm fans, so 58 with a normal heatsink is fine.

If it goes up again just get a better heatsink, along with new thermal paste and a cleaning kit to get the old lot off. The Cooler Master 212 (RR-B10-212P-G1 at ascent) is cheap and very effective.

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#535792 20-Oct-2011 20:04

timmmay:The Cooler Master 212 (RR-B10-212P-G1 at ascent) is cheap and very effective.

I second that, I have the hyper 212 plus paired to a i5 760 and it doesn't get above 52C on load! :)

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#535936 21-Oct-2011 06:26

The issue of the OP seems already resolved, but here is some info for the next guy...

The CPU cooler temp is not the same as the CPU die temp. There is thermal resistance between the die and the package, thermal resistance between the package and the heat sink, and thermal resistance between the heat sink and air. Nothing you can do about the first one, but the second is affected by heat sink compound that dries out (mostly restored by removing and refitting heat sink, which redistributes the compound) and the 3rd is affected mostly by dust but also to some extent by ambient temp (which is where a case fan can help).

You can get fancy heat sink compound, but good old white silicone-based compound (paste) is fine. Silver paste is not needed, but does not harm. And it must be spread as thin is possible, just taking up the air gap.

Using compressed air to blow out dust is considered a bad thing, apparently will build up static electricity. In practice it is fine since all pins on the ICs are soldered in and connected to something (except the contacts of e.g. an unplugged video card or CPU) so static electricity will not build up.

Typically monitoring utilities will measure the die temp, but average and peak is only part of it. There is also how long the peak takes to decay which only slightly slows up in average.

Electronics do not like 60+, should stay below 50, and personally I prefer below 35 with sometimes go to 40.

The temperature sensor in the processor can be as much as 5 to 10 degrees out. It is not an accurate sensor.

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