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Topic # 185716 2-Dec-2015 18:09
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Hi. 

I have a Uni-Pro which I have managed to adopt and get operational again after a factory reset. It seems to have upgraded the unit to 4.7.6 from the 3.2.7 it was before. 

I am trying to find a way to accomodate my following requirements: 

Connect my 2.4Ghz only devices, some of which only support WEP (Thanks very much Mitsubishi) and some which support WPA (Belkin WeeMo). 

I also have my other devices like my Tablets, and Phones, which support 5.8Ghz.

It's very important that from my phones and tablets (Or at least 1) I can manage the devices on the 2.4Ghz stuff (Otherwise I can't control my aircons and Weemo's).

I can't see where in the config I can do that.

Anyone able to offer some advice? (No it's not an option to not use WEP on my AirCon Unit).

As best I can tell you are supposed to either set up two networks, one using wep and 2.4ghz, the other WPA and 5ghz but I can't see where in the interface to do this?

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  Reply # 1439617 2-Dec-2015 22:45
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I've never applied multiple profiles to a UniFi AP before.  Just had a look at our portal....  have a look at Settings (down the bottom), Wireless Networks, and perhaps use the Create button.  I think you might need to create a profile for the 2.4 and a profile for the 5g networks.

from there click on the name of the AP in the main window.  Configuration menu along the top of the little popup, WLANS, and then choose your WLAN Group for the 2.4 and your other one for the 5g radio.

You should be able to have multiple SSIDs on each AP but I've not done this.  Have a look at the UG on Page 8  http://dl.ubnt.com/guides/UniFi/UniFi_Controller_UG.pdf 




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I believe ubiquiti are dropping support for WEP encryption going forward. They may have already dropped support for it in the firmware you have loaded.
Personally I dont like them for residential installs or anywhere there are less than 3 AP's




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  Reply # 1497466 22-Feb-2016 22:59
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The WiFi Alliance had mandated that support for WEP be dropped followed by WPA, which was only ever a stop gap measure until WPA2 support increased.  WPA has a number of the vulnerabilities of WEP, hence why support for it is to be dropped.


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  Reply # 1497926 23-Feb-2016 16:10
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raytaylor: I believe ubiquiti are dropping support for WEP encryption going forward. They may have already dropped support for it in the firmware you have loaded.
Personally I dont like them for residential installs or anywhere there are less than 3 AP's

 

 

 

Do you mean you don't like Ubiquiti AP's in general for residential install, or just the Pro's? What's the reasoning? Just interested in hearing your thoughts....


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  Reply # 1497934 23-Feb-2016 16:22
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wsnz:

 

raytaylor: I believe ubiquiti are dropping support for WEP encryption going forward. They may have already dropped support for it in the firmware you have loaded.
Personally I dont like them for residential installs or anywhere there are less than 3 AP's

 

 

 

Do you mean you don't like Ubiquiti AP's in general for residential install, or just the Pro's? What's the reasoning? Just interested in hearing your thoughts....

 

 

I've installed thousands of them (along with many other brands of WiFi kit) but I am not a fan of UBNT for the average home user either. If you want a home solution use Xclaim.

 

 


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  Reply # 1497941 23-Feb-2016 16:34
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sbiddle:

 

wsnz:

 

raytaylor: I believe ubiquiti are dropping support for WEP encryption going forward. They may have already dropped support for it in the firmware you have loaded.
Personally I dont like them for residential installs or anywhere there are less than 3 AP's

 

 

 

Do you mean you don't like Ubiquiti AP's in general for residential install, or just the Pro's? What's the reasoning? Just interested in hearing your thoughts....

 

 

I've installed thousands of them (along with many other brands of WiFi kit) but I am not a fan of UBNT for the average home user either. If you want a home solution use Xclaim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm, do either of you have reasons why UBNT is a worse option than other brands?


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  Reply # 1497979 23-Feb-2016 17:33
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UHD: Hmm, do either of you have reasons why UBNT is a worse option than other brands?

 

I really like the brand and we use them extensively in commercial premises.  For the average home user, having to set up your own management server (a piece of software that will run on a home PC) is far more hassle than it is worth and would be a tech support nightmare.  I do know of Home Automation companies (high end AV etc) that use UBNT UniFi gear and have the devices report back to their own management server as a way to keep a relationship with the client (as the client needs to call them for any changes).





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  Reply # 1497986 23-Feb-2016 17:47
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Ubiquiti are a SME product suitable for deployments where the access point is not going to be placed under high load.  For these deployments enterprise vendors like Aerohive, Aruba or Cisco will hugely out perform the Ubiquiti access points under high load.  For a performance comparison between Ubiquiti and the enterprise vendors have a look at http://www.wlanpros.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Wi-Fi-Stress-Test-Report.pdf.  The comparisons (if you don't want to read the introduction and testing procedure information) start on page 30.

 

For a basic residential deployment Ubiquiti access points are cost effective, support the basics and are not going to be placed under high load.


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  Reply # 1497987 23-Feb-2016 17:52
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As far as I am aware, the management software is a run once and forget after configuration for a standard AP or two. Hardly more effort than browsing to 192.168.0.1 and doing the same configuration in my opinion but I suppose non-tech folk might find it a pain.


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  Reply # 1498000 23-Feb-2016 18:24
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Crowdie:

 

Ubiquiti are a SME product suitable for deployments where the access point is not going to be placed under high load.  For these deployments enterprise vendors like Aerohive, Aruba or Cisco will hugely out perform the Ubiquiti access points under high load.  For a performance comparison between Ubiquiti and the enterprise vendors have a look at http://www.wlanpros.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Wi-Fi-Stress-Test-Report.pdf.  The comparisons (if you don't want to read the introduction and testing procedure information) start on page 30.

 

For a basic residential deployment Ubiquiti access points are cost effective, support the basics and are not going to be placed under high load.

 

 

That survey is over 3 years old. Back then the UniFi Pro was a terrible product (and still is) however the UniFi software and hardware has changed very significantly. I've got plenty of real world scenarios with 50+ devices on a UniFi AP where real world results certainly differ very significantly from what that old testing showed.

 

I deploy a lot of different brands of kit because everything has it's place and a price/performance ratio that goes with it. I'm a huge Ruckus fan and Ruckus wins hands down performance wise and nothing else comes close, however most people are unwilling to pay for Ruckus kit.

 

I disagree with UniFi being a residential deployment product because the software is tuned for throughput across multiple devices and not raw throughput across a few devices. This is similar across other brands of kit as well and why you'll see something like an Airport Extreme outperform a UniFi AP on raw 802.11ac performance. Add 20 devices to a Airport Extreme and the results will be entirely different.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1498004 23-Feb-2016 18:28
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UHD:

 

As far as I am aware, the management software is a run once and forget after configuration for a standard AP or two. Hardly more effort than browsing to 192.168.0.1 and doing the same configuration in my opinion but I suppose non-tech folk might find it a pain.

 

 

It's still a pain needing to have it in the first place. UBNT are moving to a cloud model, but you can have that right now (and better performing hardware) if you just buy a Xclaim AP!

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1498008 23-Feb-2016 18:31
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For those who use UniFi gear, the CloudKey management appliance released in NZ a few weeks ago is really cool and well worth its money IMHO.  I've not seen any figures suggesting a maximum number of APs it can handle.





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sbiddle:

 

That survey is over 3 years old. Back then the UniFi Pro was a terrible product (and still is) however the UniFi software and hardware has changed very significantly. I've got plenty of real world scenarios with 50+ devices on a UniFi AP where real world results certainly differ very significantly from what that old testing showed.

 

I deploy a lot of different brands of kit because everything has it's place and a price/performance ratio that goes with it. Ruckus wins hands down performance wise and nothing else comes close, however most people are unwilling to pay for Ruckus kit.

 

 

I have ripped out quite a lot of Ubiquiti because it just doesn't perform against the enterprise vendors so I'll stand behind my comment that it is a SME product.  You have to compare apples with apples and comparing a $275 Ubiquiti with a $1,200 Cisco is just not fair.

 

The Ruckus performance, as you say, is exceptional as it combines static and dynamic beamforming and is, as far as I know, the only wireless vendor readily available in New Zealand who does.

 

sbiddle:

 

however most people are unwilling to pay for Ruckus kit

 

 

It sounds like you are operating in the "designed for a price point" market.


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From what I have found out:

 

Yep the throughput on the unifi's are not flash in some cases nearly half of other units, but the range on them is actually pretty decent and they do seem to put up with a lot of noise.
Zero hand off is rubbish and doesn't work properly, they are yet to nail it. On the Unifi Pro its supposedly "better" than the non-existant zero handoff on the Unifi AC but it just doesn't work properly.

 

The guys at work are going to put in some Aerohive stuff at work. These are units twice the price of the Unifi AC's. 

 

For a home user the Airport is not actually bad. for 3-4 devices its perfect. But yeh it wont be able to handle multiple transmits. I would be interested to know what the google one is like.

 

From what I have read about the ruckus zoneflex range. They are awesome. There was some video I watched of some guy in the states with 30 ipads streaming off a single AP. He said they could put the ruckus in the next room over and run the same test and it was more successful than a lot of other vendors.

 

I will probably buy an Xclaim Xi-3 (or 2) at the end of the year once my house is built.... im hoping for october. But for now I got a Unifi AP the range is good enough for me and no you don't need that control software running all day every day. I am holding off to see if any new gear comes out before the end of the year. Hopefully by then come down OR mean better gear will hopefully be available.

 

 






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  Reply # 1498029 23-Feb-2016 19:31
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Crowdie:

 

sbiddle:

 

That survey is over 3 years old. Back then the UniFi Pro was a terrible product (and still is) however the UniFi software and hardware has changed very significantly. I've got plenty of real world scenarios with 50+ devices on a UniFi AP where real world results certainly differ very significantly from what that old testing showed.

 

I deploy a lot of different brands of kit because everything has it's place and a price/performance ratio that goes with it. Ruckus wins hands down performance wise and nothing else comes close, however most people are unwilling to pay for Ruckus kit.

 

 

I have ripped out quite a lot of Ubiquiti because it just doesn't perform against the enterprise vendors so I'll stand behind my comment that it is a SME product.  You have to compare apples with apples and comparing a $275 Ubiquiti with a $1,200 Cisco is just not fair.

 

The Ruckus performance, as you say, is exceptional as it combines static and dynamic beamforming and is, as far as I know, the only wireless vendor readily available in New Zealand who does.

 

sbiddle:

 

however most people are unwilling to pay for Ruckus kit

 

 

It sounds like you are operating in the "designed for a price point" market.

 

 

I didn't say UBNT Kit is enterprise or that it gets close to touching other vendors such as Ruckus because it doesn't. Having an "enterprise" price point or brand doesn't necessarily make a product better though either - I'm still extremely disappointed in Aerohive for example. The product has fantastic capabilities but is still let down by very average wireless performance.

 

I have deployed enough UBNT kit over the years to know the pros and cons and where it will work and where it won't.

 

Every solution ever built had to offer a compromise in one form or another. Building a solution based on price will always be a bad idea. You should be telling that to the people who think a few Pico's can adequately cover a camping ground with a few hundred sites, not somebody like me who already understands that. The real world reality however is that using Ruckus kit everywhere is simply not possible for the same reason everybody can't own a Ferrari.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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