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mattosaur4

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#201835 5-Sep-2016 23:11

My house was all wired up when it was built and has a 110 Networking Block in the Garage and Cat5e cabling to numerous places in the house. Dedicated RJ45 faceplates seem to have all 4 wires hooked up, whereas ones with a rj45 and phone have 2 pairs on the rj45 and 1 pair on the phone.

I've managed to track down where 4 solo RJ45 outlets terminate to on the 110 block just using a switch and laptop and watching link lights.

I've now found 2 near enough to each other that I could run a 5-6metre cable around the door frame from to it. I'd just need to move the modem.

I was wondering what I'm looking for on the 110 Block in regards to finding where the VDSL connection comes in? So I can move it. I don't have a tone tester or anything. Where the internet is currently wired to is a dual faceplate & behind it is:

Blue & Blue/White pair wired to one port - That goes to the DSL port on the Modem via the cable

Orange & Orange/White pair wired to the leftover Phone jack

This is part of my 110 Block and I wondered if the Chorus tech marked the outlet with that white tape but then the orange & orange/white pair aren't wired to anything...

Any tips / suggestions on locating the VDSL connection so I can change where the Modem gets plugged into?

I read something about "creating a line bus" in the Siemons User Guide for the 110 block, is the blue & blue/white long repeating S wiring config possibly all OK to wire it to?

Cheers,

Matt

solutionz

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#1624323 6-Sep-2016 00:35

You only need 1x pair for xDSL, so it could be it.

Besides disconnecting pairs through process of elimination (or even easier shorting them out with a paperclip etc) you could always open up your ETP and see what's connected that end:

mattosaur4

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#1625089 7-Sep-2016 14:42

Actually I was wrong, it's an Orange & Orange/White pair that's wired to the current Internet Outlet

Borrowed a tone tester and I get the highest reading on this set of cables, so am guessing it's them. (Red Arrow pointing to back wires on the 110 Block)

Any ideas why there's 2 sets terminated on the same point? (Pink / Purple Box) Should I try and move both to my other outlet. Probably can't reach anyway, so I guess I can move them both to an empty 110 block slot and punch them down, then use 2 x 110 plugs & short lead to patch those 2 outlets together? and thus it will be moved to my other outlet ? SOund right anyone?

Cheers,

Matt

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#1625207 7-Sep-2016 17:41

Presumably then the cable running from your ETP is the pair you've drawn the red arrow to (underneath the piggy-backed pairs of which one appears to be going to your internet wall jack and the other one which presumably goes to another jack).

If you have a master filter installed then that back pair will be for xDSL and another pair on the cable will be for phone, otherwise it'll be for both. As I mentioned check the ETP.

If you don't have any other phone jacks you're worried about you could probably just go ahead and pull out those two pairs and punch down the pair you've traced from your other room. Just note adding an extra 5-6m cable between your wall jack and your modem isn't going to help your xDSL speed.

TBH it's a bit of a mess, if you're in it for the long haul and you're not able simply trace each of these cables yourself you're probably best getting someone in to install a proper patch panel, maybe replace some of that Cat5 with Cat5e / Cat6 (and a master filter if you don't have already) and/or upgrade to UFB if you can.

The likes of @sbiddle or @coffeebaron can probably add more.

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#1625277 7-Sep-2016 20:40

You should be able to tone from the ETP on an unused pair to identify the primary feed into the 110 block. Same process from each jack-point back to the block.

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mattosaur4

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#1625286 7-Sep-2016 21:55

Thanks!

Yeah it is a mess but it seems to work :-) June 2017 or later is my ETA on Fibre... It's all Cat5e already, I've rigged it all up using a couple of 110 plug's, the existing cables, a 15m Ethernet Cable and Gigabit Switch and it works fine and my devices all get a 1Gbps sync rate. I've managed to trace all the outlets I want to use with the Tone tester now as well.

It takes my internal transferring of a 750MB movie from 4mins 30secs on Wifi N to 12 seconds on Gigabit. Also means I can Plex stream around the house with more reliability.

Not too worried about actual internet speeds, it seemed to roughly give me the same result as a direct plug-in to the modem though on all outlets I tried which is sometimes double using speedtest (vs wifi). Real world scenario I found I could get 3MB downloading instead of 1.2-1.8MB'ish on Wifi. It also smoothed out lag spikes in games like League of Legends.

Anyway back to cabling. No, the back pair underneath everything with the red arrow is where the Wall outlet that DSL is currently running off is wired to. Toner plugged into DSL jack and probe on those back wires gives the highest reading. I am presuming one of the two piggy backed pairs on the topside is the xDSL incoming wire pair from the ETP. As you say the other is probably the Phone as it appears to loop up to that Orange & Orange/White 110 Bridge / Line Bus that's above. Which presumably used to put the 10 or so phone jacks all on the same line?

No Phone lines here just using Orcon's VoIP service. So not worried about that at all. Pretty sure the 10 phone jacks around the house are all dead now anyway.

I have no idea where the ETP is, guess I should try and locate that. Will go search the outside of the house for a small white box tomorrow.

But yeah I think just moving the pair that doesn't go up to the 110 Bridge / Line Bus above is probably all I actually need todo. Shouldn't be to hard to put it back if I make a mess of it, famous last words...

Thanks!

Matt

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#1626620 9-Sep-2016 16:43

There seems to be some scraps of bare wire that are damaged or not punched in properly, try tidying that up too.

I would say the modem could best go somewhere near that 110 block, maybe put a new outlet on the wall next to it and mount the modem there so you can patch any required outlet to the LAN easily. You would then ask the contractor to put the fibre ONT in the same spot so its just a matter of swapping the modem with a new UFB router. The objective for this would be to remove all wires from phone jacks and have 4 wires per RJ45 jack, to make it all gigabit capable. Make sure each pair is twisted all the way to the 110 punchdown. A small patch panel would simplify the management of it a bit.

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mattosaur4

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#1627821 12-Sep-2016 12:11

Thanks All for the info and replies.

Got it sorted over the weekend, pretty ugly looking cabinet but working... Found and checked the ETP and it has a master filter installed and was the green pair so did some more hunting and concluded I had it wrong. The one I'd detected was just the wall outlet, the one next to it was the xDSL.

Cut up some wire from a cable and wired the green pair to a Cat5e jack and then plugged that to the modem and viola DSL / Internet back on. xDSL stats from the modem virtually the same afterwards as well. (Sync rate is 60111 Up and 10000 down, or so)

Decided to try out the Modem in the Garage for now and see how wifi is around the house, seems OK initially. I ended up using the old Internet Outlet in the kitchen to run the phone. Wired the wall outlet ones I'd found earlier to an empty 110 block and then cut up a RJ11 cable and punched that down onto it and connected to the Modem. Basically made a 20m phone extension cable using the house wiring. Seems to work fine.

Will get out the Label Maker then all done for now...

Matt

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davidknz

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#1640215 25-Sep-2016 13:46

For WIW:

Some years ago I wired the house for Cat5E - kids LANFESTS

and the like. Cat5 uses 2 pairs; so I successfully used the other 2 for

2 POTS phone lines - all good, all round the house.

However, UFB rollout meant upgrading to Cat 6. After some futzing around,

I discovered Cat6 is a specification, not a wiring diagram.

Cat 6 need and uses all 4 pairs. So byebye POTS and POE.

Might save someone else some head scratching :-)

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#1640249 25-Sep-2016 14:38

David, why did UFB need the Cat5E to be up replaced with Cat6?

davidknz

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#1640250 25-Sep-2016 14:53

Cat 5E rated to 100 Mhz. It will run 1GHz using all 4 pairs, but not reliably with the run lengths I have

Cat 6 rated to 1000 Mhz -more twists / cm, 23 AWG wire mean more reliable TXs

In short, just speed addiction :-)

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#1640306 25-Sep-2016 18:22

davidknz:

Cat 5E rated to 100 Mhz. It will run 1GHz using all 4 pairs, but not reliably with the run lengths I have

Cat 6 rated to 1000 Mhz -more twists / cm, 23 AWG wire mean more reliable TXs

In short, just speed addiction :-)

@davidknz you have confused frequency/bandwidth (MHz/GHz) and data speed (Mbps/Gbps).

Cat5e is rated to 1000Mbps at 100 MHz at a distance of approximately 100m

Cat6 is rated to 1000Mbps at 250 MHz at a distance of approximately 100m, and can support 10Gbps at 500MHz for about 50m

you are worried about the data speed, not the frequency.

Most consumer gear is rated to 1000Mbps so cat5e is fine