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# 208455 12-Feb-2017 23:09
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I don't know if I am going to be able to achieve this.

 

But I am about to fit out Wireless AP's in my new house. I am going to get 2 AP's for my place. And then a 3rd one next door at my sisters place. There will be quite a number of devices. Probably about 20 wifi devices between the whole setup but it will be spaced out. And I will cable in what I can.

 

There will be a network between our two houses. I was looking at Xclaim and a few other products. I prefer dual band wireless AC with band steering. But not dead set on what to get. The Unifi Zero handoff feature never worked properly, but ideally I would like to seamlessly connect between different AP's depending on the strongest signal. And I prefer to get PoE units.

 

Obviously I understand that tuning of power output etc will need to be done but apart from setting up the same SSID on each AP. What are the best products/ways to set this up. 

 

 






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  # 1719161 13-Feb-2017 04:44
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The new UniFi AP's are pretty good now (there isn't zero-handover however they handover very well). I have Xclaim AP's at my parents house and they're pretty good too but match the UniFi in terms of handover performance. I find that Xclaim are quite slow with development now and also I am a little against vital network equipment talking to a cloud controller you don't control yourself however both are very good products - only problem is going with the xclaims is a little more expensive than the UniFi AC Pro's.

 

The UniFi's also look far better ceiling mounted which is a big bonus. You're welcome to use my cloud controller too which is set up using best practices.





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  # 1719171 13-Feb-2017 07:44
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Im finding the more recent firmwares for the unifi ac pro's around home are working great with the connection not dieing and showing connected but no data which was happening a lot before.

 

Ive just bought a USG, a cloudkey and one of the ac mesh M APs to put up outside to get rid of my cheap nasty outdoor AP that was on a different ssid to stop things inside from using it, since it would never kick things off no matter how weak they were.

 

USG is installed and running, cloudkey is todays battle, then I can turn off the power guzzling P4 server that was just doing DHCP, DNS and the unifi software. Seems unifi have really started to get the updates out quickly and are sorting problems out now, except if you have the old square AC accesspoints which makes me glad I flicked mine off when I did.





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  # 1719342 13-Feb-2017 12:58
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How much do you want to spend? :) 

 

Aerohives would be a good option here.. but these are enterprise level AP's with enterprise level hardware pricing and licencing :) 

 

Their latest aesthetics are a bit more pleasing as well over their last gen design, however not as subtle as the unifi's

 

Can't beat a the xclaim / ubiquiti for prices vs performance though 


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  # 1719717 13-Feb-2017 21:30
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I've got Cambium E400s. Including one of @michaelmurfy's sitting in a box. 

 

They support a couple of "fast roaming protocols" (OKC and 802.11r). I don't know what either of those are and gave up trying to find out after things got way too technical way too fast. I think (?) they're only relevant if you're using enterprise-grade security like EAP or a RADIUS server.

 

In any event, during my non-technical test of wandering around with my phone, the default settings actually worked pretty damn good for switching between the APs. I got better results turning band steering down to Normal instead of Aggressive. I also experimented with the APs feature to actively disconnect weak signals but didn't really know what I was doing. Didn't seem to make a difference but I may have got the settings wrong.

 

 


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  # 1719718 13-Feb-2017 21:32
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Yes as @mdf says the Cambium E400's have very good roaming and are generally great access points also. They're within your pricerange so you may have some luck with those too :)





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I just got sent an email by PBTech pushing a mesh network solution rather than multiple APs. Here is a link

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NETNGR3000/Netgear-Orbi-RBK50-MU-MIMO-Wi-Fi-System-Orbi-Route

Would this better a better solution for what you want to achieve?




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  # 1721280 16-Feb-2017 14:18
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Better than wifi repeaters since they have the third radio to do the meshing with, rather than a single one, and not doing bodgey mac address translation to make it work with any wifi router, but not as good as wired back to the internet.





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  # 1721286 16-Feb-2017 14:24
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I may be wrong but from memory to use the seamless transitioning between APs you have to be running the radios on the same channel, which is annoying.

 

https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205144590-UniFi-What-is-Zero-Handoff-

 

I find I usually have to dial down the transmit power a little on the APs which will mean the clients are more likely to search for a stronger signal.


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  # 1721290 16-Feb-2017 14:27
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Put a decent WAP up high and it might be able to cover both properties adequately.


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  # 1721345 16-Feb-2017 15:18
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jnimmo:

 

I may be wrong but from memory to use the seamless transitioning between APs you have to be running the radios on the same channel, which is annoying.

 

https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205144590-UniFi-What-is-Zero-Handoff-

 

I find I usually have to dial down the transmit power a little on the APs which will mean the clients are more likely to search for a stronger signal.

 

 

That was ubiquitis abandoned method that had all the radios acting as one. Never worked right for me, the APs have to have excelent signal to each other which made the place I tried it impossible (2 buildings with a concrete wall and metal door thats closed most of the time) - as people go thru the door and it closed, you would lose the previous AP so fast (-50 down to -90 in one update of wifi analyser) that it would just disconnect and then scan for more APs, with the door open it would start up the seamless handover but it all stuffed up when the door closed.

 

I have mine all set to high power on 5GHz and low or off on 2.4 since the 5GHz is basically useless when not on high.

 

 

 

Better stuff is coming on the unifis anyway.





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  # 1721346 16-Feb-2017 15:20
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timmmay:

 

Put a decent WAP up high and it might be able to cover both properties adequately.

 

I cant even get from my garage to the shed with an AP, 2.4GHz is there but barely works, 5GHz is down to 1 bar on the phone, works OK, till it doesnt.

 

The amazon echo in the shed is fine without an AP in there at the moment, but controlling spotify from the phone is useless. Often easier to go back onto 4g once spotify connect has done its thing and started it playing.





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  # 1721347 16-Feb-2017 15:21
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I had a chat to @michaelmurfy the other night. He rekons the Unifi AC Pro's (the new ones not the square ones) are quite a lot better.

He said the cambriums are good too, a bit more expensive.

 


I am not gonna put 1 AP over the two properties. Tee houses are large 4 bedroom homes. I may get away with 1 high quality one in each property. I might start with that, and then get extras if I require.






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  # 1721359 16-Feb-2017 15:24
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The new mesh AC one (cheap one with 2 sticky out antennas) is actually really good from my testing so far, which admitidly has only consisted of me connecting to the AC radio on it and walking down the drive on facebook messenger to someone (audio only) - much better than my old 2.4Ghz one which would be breaking up and useless half way down the drive despite full signal showing still.





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  # 1721408 16-Feb-2017 16:07
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I run a couple of sites with a Mikrotik RB3011 running as the gateway/CAPs Manager. I just plug in various Mikrotik access points as I get them, they download their config automatically from the router and figure out their own channels.

 

The only trick in the setup was setting up an access list to kick devices when the signal strength gets too low. This forces the client to jump to a better access point. The users don't even notice it.

 

 

 

 





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  # 1721446 16-Feb-2017 16:58
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richms:

 

I cant even get from my garage to the shed with an AP, 2.4GHz is there but barely works, 5GHz is down to 1 bar on the phone, works OK, till it doesnt.

 

The amazon echo in the shed is fine without an AP in there at the moment, but controlling spotify from the phone is useless. Often easier to go back onto 4g once spotify connect has done its thing and started it playing.

 

 

I have the Fritz 7390 which many people say has poor wifi. I have it mounted on a wall up high in the center of my house. 5GHz penetration is only ok, but it covers the house fine. 2.4GHz I can get at the end of my garden (10m from the WAP) and at the far side of my immediate neighbors property, probably just over 10m.

 

Maybe lucky with the old house construction, in this way.


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