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# 255480 14-Aug-2019 06:56
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Hi all,

 

 

 

I called Vodafone last night to re-new my internet contract with them to gain a $10 per month discount. I was on the unlimited Fibre-X 200 plan and paying $72.99 per month, for a download speed of 200 and upload of what I think was 50.

 

When talking to the sales guy he told me he could do their HFC Max plan (700-900 download and 500 upload) for $62.99 on a 12 month contract, I thought that was a great deal so went for it.

 

After the phone call there was one thing I realized I had forgotten to ask, will my wireless router (provided by Vodafone for a past plan) be able to broadcast those speeds? I have attached a photo of the sticker on the back of it and thought someone here might be able to let me know? I am not to keen to be on hold for a long time just to ask one question.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

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  # 2297787 14-Aug-2019 07:09
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Yes.

 

HG659 / HG659b is still a great device for Gigabit connections. The only limitation creeping in these days is the client limitation.

 

Aas for "broadcast those speeds" if you're meaning can you get those speeds over WiFi, the simple answer (without spending multiple paragraphs explaining why) is no. That's not because of the router, it's because you just can't do Gigabit over WiFi. 


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  # 2297816 14-Aug-2019 08:59
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How the world has changed to have thread titles like this! I reminisce in ADSL :(






 
 
 
 


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  # 2297819 14-Aug-2019 09:05
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The HG659 performs well for a ISP supplied device!




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  # 2298877 14-Aug-2019 09:40
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sbiddle:

 

Yes.

 

HG659 / HG659b is still a great device for Gigabit connections. The only limitation creeping in these days is the client limitation.

 

Aas for "broadcast those speeds" if you're meaning can you get those speeds over WiFi, the simple answer (without spending multiple paragraphs explaining why) is no. That's not because of the router, it's because you just can't do Gigabit over WiFi. 

 

 

 

 

Aww really? so what sort of speed should I expect from this router over WiFi? and would I get faster speeds over WiFi with a better router?


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  # 2298880 14-Aug-2019 09:44
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David321:

 

Aww really? so what sort of speed should I expect from this router over WiFi? and would I get faster speeds over WiFi with a better router?

 

 

 

 

Current wifi ac standard/technology simply does not support Gigabit speed over wifi


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  # 2298905 14-Aug-2019 10:15
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David321:

 

sbiddle:

 

Yes.

 

HG659 / HG659b is still a great device for Gigabit connections. The only limitation creeping in these days is the client limitation.

 

Aas for "broadcast those speeds" if you're meaning can you get those speeds over WiFi, the simple answer (without spending multiple paragraphs explaining why) is no. That's not because of the router, it's because you just can't do Gigabit over WiFi. 

 

 

 

 

Aww really? so what sort of speed should I expect from this router over WiFi? and would I get faster speeds over WiFi with a better router?

 

 

No you will not get better speeds with a different router.

 

WiFi speeds will depend on channel widths, and more importantly what client devices you are connecting.

 

If your laptops are 3x3 AC you should expect real world maximum speeds of around 600Mbps if you're close enough to the router to maintain a MCS9 connection with an 80MHz channel. Expect average speeds of around 300Mbps in a typical environment.

 

As most people won't use 80MHz channels but 40MHz due to power output being double it'll mean maximum of around 300Mbps @ 40MHz and once again since maintaining MCS9 is difficult unless you're right next to the router expect real world speeds around 150Mbps.

 

Maximum real world throughput in perfect conditions is around 50% of the headline speed, ie when you see 1300Mbps 802.11ac advertised on a router it means real world maximum of around 600Mbps.

 

 

 

If your devices are only 2x2 AC (which is virtually all phones and many older laptops) you can get a maximum of around 400Mbps with MCS9

 

 


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  # 2298997 14-Aug-2019 10:53
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I am on VF UltraFast HFC Max cable - formerly known as "FibreX Max" - in Wellington - and am using the VF-supplied HG659 modem.

 

My connection is monitored / speed tested by Sam Knows.

 

Several points:

 

The specified upload speed is 100mbps, NOT 500mbps.  ["FibreX 200" was 200/20 down/up]

 

go to: What is UltraFast HFC?

 

 

UltraFast HFC Max is the fastest connection available on Vodafone’s superfast Gigabit network. But, “Gigabit” describes the network speed capability, and not the actual speed you will experience.

 

Actual user speeds will vary and are affected by various factors including how you’re connected to the internet (using a Gigabit Ethernet cable is better than WiFi, which could have a large impact on speed), the hardware and software used, number of devices connected, time of day, and where the data is downloaded from. In really good conditions, we expect you’ll get download speeds of up to 700-900 Mbps and upload speeds of up to 90-95 Mbps.

 

 

Here are my Sam Knows time-of-day stats for the last month:

 

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Wireless speeds

 

With the HG659, under ideal conditions (ie in the same room as the router), I get 50 to 100mbps, down and up.

 

I have tried other - more upmarket - wireless routers with the same result.

 

Using ethernet, I get excellent, reliable performance with no outages. I don't often bother with wireless.

 

I am paying a lot more than you are for this service - you have a good offer.

 

So Ultrafast HFC is good, but wireless cannot possibly match "gigabit" speeds.

 

 

 

EDIT:  I think the the old "FibreX" name for HFC cable was confusing and misleading.





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  # 2299057 14-Aug-2019 11:14
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Thanks for the answers people, very helpful. Its good to know I am no better off in buying a new router as that was the main point of my question, I am not to worried about the speeds as it will still be faster and cheaper than what I have now so it's a no brainer really. Although if there was a router out there which would deliver higher WiFi speeds with this plan I would probably buy it.

 

I have my PS4 and both televisions hooked up with an Ethernet cable bought from PB Tech a year or so ago so I would assume this would be gigabit capable, but our phones and laptop run over the WiFi obviously.

 

My laptop is an older model (Toshiba Satellite L750) but I have no intention on upgrading as it has just had a new motherboard fitted and a Samsung SSD so it is running great for its age, the only thing is the WiFi in it can only receive about 50mbs, so I need to buy one of those USB things which can receive the high speed WiFi. I dont know what I am after here but assume Noel Leeming or PB Tech staff should be able to help me with that, unless anyone here can send me a link to what I need?


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  # 2299103 14-Aug-2019 12:01
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David321:

 

Hi all,

 

 

 

I called Vodafone last night to re-new my internet contract with them to gain a $10 per month discount. I was on the unlimited Fibre-X 200 plan and paying $72.99 per month, for a download speed of 200 and upload of what I think was 50.

 

When talking to the sales guy he told me he could do their HFC Max plan (700-900 download and 500 upload) for $62.99 on a 12 month contract, I thought that was a great deal so went for it.

 

After the phone call there was one thing I realized I had forgotten to ask, will my wireless router (provided by Vodafone for a past plan) be able to broadcast those speeds? I have attached a photo of the sticker on the back of it and thought someone here might be able to let me know? I am not to keen to be on hold for a long time just to ask one question.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

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That is a good deal as I'm paying $83 per month with HFC fibre max and VOIP phone and 24 month contract.




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  # 2299180 14-Aug-2019 13:22
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Hi all,

 

Have just had a call from Downer asking for a time to come and do the install, I told them I am surprised they need to do an install as I already have Fibre-X200 and I am going to HFC Max which runs over the same cable, I am not sure what they are going to install when I already have this router hooked up to the cable for Fibre-X 200.

 

The guy on the phone from Downer was also confused and could not understand why Vodafone has placed an order for them to do an install but said he will send someone out anyway. Is this really necessary?


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  # 2299193 14-Aug-2019 13:38
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David321:

 

Hi all,

 

Have just had a call from Downer asking for a time to come and do the install, I told them I am surprised they need to do an install as I already have Fibre-X200 and I am going to HFC Max which runs over the same cable, I am not sure what they are going to install when I already have this router hooked up to the cable for Fibre-X 200.

 

The guy on the phone from Downer was also confused and could not understand why Vodafone has placed an order for them to do an install but said he will send someone out anyway. Is this really necessary?

 

 

The circus starts when you get a upgrade from vodafone on the cable network. It took me two months and copious amounts of phone calls to get upgraded from 200/20 to HFC max and VOIP. I was also told on several occasions I would not need a tech visit but in the end they sent a downer tech to plug a phone into the voice port on the HG659. Vodafone loves to waste money.

 

 


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  # 2299197 14-Aug-2019 13:41
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David321:

 

Hi all,

 

Have just had a call from Downer asking for a time to come and do the install, I told them I am surprised they need to do an install as I already have Fibre-X200 and I am going to HFC Max which runs over the same cable, I am not sure what they are going to install when I already have this router hooked up to the cable for Fibre-X 200.

 

The guy on the phone from Downer was also confused and could not understand why Vodafone has placed an order for them to do an install but said he will send someone out anyway. Is this really necessary?

 

 

It will be to install the new cable modem and router for the MAX plan as presumably you have one of the older cable modems.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 2299198 14-Aug-2019 13:44
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I've had this as well, when changing from a TelstraClear plan to FibreX 200, a tech came to plug in the router, which I had already done.

I'd even been up and running on the new plan for a few days prior.



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  # 2299199 14-Aug-2019 13:46
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dm2000: I've had this as well, when changing from a TelstraClear plan to FibreX 200, a tech came to plug in the router, which I had already done.

I'd even been up and running on the new plan for a few days prior.


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  # 2299268 14-Aug-2019 14:52
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Current wifi ac standard/technology simply does not support Gigabit speed over wifi

 

 

 

 

actually as long as it's short range and you're using 3-stream (preferably 4-stream) connections on 5ghz with wide channels (ht80 or preferably ht160) it's totally do-able - I've run short distance (<4m) links that have iperf'd at gigabit wire rate

 

 

 

of course not many people have a need for a wireless link so short a simple cable would be a better alternative 😀


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