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#270335 4-May-2020 21:49
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Been working for years and suddenly stops with No network connection. Nothing obviously wrong that I can find.

 

Anyone have any suggestions what I could try to prove where the problem lies? It's a wired connection and the LAN cable works if connected to another device. In the pi settings no IP number is showing (if it should) and the System Info also says no connection.


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  #2476673 4-May-2020 23:40
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It's dead most likly, the old pis had one chip that did the USB ports and ethernet all off the pi over USB.

 

Im assuming that the USB ports are still working unless you are using a serial terminal to it.

 

Do a lsusb (or perhaps sudo lsusb) to list the USB devices and see if it is even still seeing the ethernet controller. If it is, check the solder on the jack. Its an integrated magnetics jack so nothing else to check really. But at the prices pi's are, its not worth putting too much into troubleshooting it vs buying a new one and repurpose this to something that you could just use a USB wifi adapter on if it doesnt have onboard.





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  #2476815 5-May-2020 11:00
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Thanks for the info. Yes, USB was still working. I've now unplugged everything and will see if the router can detect it, or not (once I figure out how). All the lights on the PCB were on.  I'm not sure how to do the tests you suggest or how to communicate with it. I could connect to to a PC monitor and try a keyboard/mouse which might show something. Previously I could communicate via Putty.  I don't know linux or Pi command syntax so everything needs a Google.  It's an older Pi and came from the UK about 10 years ago

 

Your idea of USB wireless LAN sounds a possibility. Any idea of source/cost?  Maybe replacing the PI would be easier, but not sure where to get one now.


 
 
 
 


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  #2476837 5-May-2020 11:41
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PB tech sell them. If it is 10 years old it will be the terrible old slow single core one so either the 3b+ or the 4 will be a huge upgrade.

 


Problem is if your card has an old install in it, then it wont boot on the new pis without being updated, which you cant do with a broken old pi.

 


How are you accessing the pi at the moment to know that the USB ports are still working?

 


Cheap wireless sticks are only a few dollars and work straight away with current raspbian, but if you have a really old install then it may not work





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  #2476855 5-May-2020 12:06
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I just talked to a guy in Chch who sells them but we went no further as didn't know if the LAN/Network would work with SMB (whatever that is) and connect ok to shared folders on 2 Win10 machines. It's set up with no passwords and I know this caused trouble in the past where a PW is mandatory.

 

The Pi has (c)2011.12 on the PCB. It has just the one USB connector (with 2 ports). Sysinfo says OS is Raspbian GNU/Linux7 (Wheezy) kernel: Linux 3.12.31). Also (in blue) Raspbmc running Kodi  (Compiled Feb 2 2015).

 

It boots straight into Kodi (with Confluence skin) and we use it just for streaming videos to the TV. Not interested in anything else and as it was, worked fine. Fast enough etc.

 

The guy in Chch wasn't sure if it was hardware or software fault and suggested reinstalling everything onto its SD card. I'm reluctant to do that as no files or instructions to do that anymore. (And don;t want to destroy anything)

 

At the moment it's on the bench connected to PC monitor via HDMi. I have USB wireless mouse and Keyboard attached and working.

 

If I plug in the LAN 2 green light and one yellow show up (along with the red one). This is how is was when working. I suspect (but guessing) it's the ethernet port. Attempts to look at any files fail, and Sysinfo shows no IP address. I think it should display one and it should show in the router (fritzbox). I don't see any entry there at the moment.

 

I'd try a wireless stick if I could get hold of one, but in Dunedin and no idea whats open.


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  #2477314 5-May-2020 20:45
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It sounds like you bought it preconfigured some time ago and have been using it as an appliance. They arent really for that purpose. You can find how to guides on writing an SD card and installing kodi on it if you look around.

 

As you have the old pi, the card you have is probably a full sized one so useless on new pi's. On the offchance that it is a microsd in an adapter to full size sd card then you could use it in a new pi but it involves installing and configuring software etc. Things have moved on since that long ago and a pi is not the best choice for kodi, as you can spend less and get an android box with a remote and everything ready to go.





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  #2477318 5-May-2020 21:02
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Fair enough, but to be honest it couldn't have done a better job, and we had it for several years. It wasn't preconfigured, I did all that myself. Bit of a mission!

 

There's an andriod box here too but it's dog of a thing because of its lousy remote (its useful for HEV files).  I'll probably get a newer pi and just hope it'll work as well as the old. Sad to see it die.

 

 


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  #2477320 5-May-2020 21:09
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@ADKM Why not just get a Mi Box (Here) and be done with it? Can run Kodi fine, along with Netflix etc.





 
 
 
 


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  #2477324 5-May-2020 21:11
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So if you have a screen on and you can see the sysinfo page of Kodi, then it's booting.

 

If you were browsing Windows shares and it now doesn't it will be the SMB security changes kicking in yet again with another update on windows. Which is why he would have asked you about it.

 

What you will need to do is drop to a shell window and check the network config at the base level rather than what's running on top to confirm using such things as 'ifconfig' and ping/tracroute to/from the device

 

If SMB option isn't available in Kodi to bring it up to v2/v3 that W10 uses. You'll need to image a microSD with a later one that supports the older models while enabling SMB changes.

 

https://kodi.wiki/view/Settings/Services/SMB_Client 

 

Or, run kodi on the where you got the files from, and enable DLNA/uPNP sharing and it will act as a streaming source to the 2nd version

 

https://kodi.wiki/view/Settings/Services/UPnP_DLNA 

 

 




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  #2477757 6-May-2020 12:36
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Michael, that looks much like the MBOX (which I have).  It's okay but not as good as the Pi. It turns off when the TV does but you have to pull the power out/in to turn it back on. About 1 in 10 the remote will do it. And every 2nd or 3rd clisk on anything you have to do twice. Fot the PI I got an HP remote and USB receiver. Very well made.

 

O, thanks for that info, may be invaluable, It very different to what my Pi shows, but have just obtained a Pi3 Model B+ and it may suit that. But if a software issue has broken mine and can be fixed that'd be preferred.  What should ipconfig show?  I don't see any other devices, only details for the computer you run it from. Is there something that would prove the Pi is connected (meaning it's ethernet port is okay)?  Re SMB in VIDEOS-Files-Add Viden then Browse there's a number of entries, many starting with SMB://. But that isn't indicative of the LAN working as they show with the cable disconnected. I also have an XP machine on MSHome workgroup and it still can see/read shared folders on Win 10. Might this suggest it wasn't a  Windows security update?




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  #2477821 6-May-2020 13:37
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Just to add to the above I've connected up the new Pi3 and in Sysinfo I can see an IP has been assigned, unlike the older (faulty?) pi where this was blank.

 

I can browse Movies-Add Videos-Browse-Windows Network-MSHome and see my network locations but clicking any to browse files shows "Operation Not Permitted". Not the most happy result! It looks very similar to the MBOX but it's operation there was permitted.


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  #2477852 6-May-2020 14:27
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ADKM:

 

. . . Also (in blue) Raspbmc running Kodi  (Compiled Feb 2 2015).

 

It boots straight into Kodi (with Confluence skin) and we use it just for streaming videos to the TV. Not interested in anything else and as it was, worked fine. Fast enough etc.

 

 

wow - that's pretty old. RASPBMC was discontinued back in 2014/2015 and is now called OSMC
OSMC will run just fine on a Pi 3
I'm still running it on a 2b without issue


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  #2477856 6-May-2020 14:30
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ADKM:

 

Just to add to the above I've connected up the new Pi3 and in Sysinfo I can see an IP has been assigned, unlike the older (faulty?) pi where this was blank.

 

I can browse Movies-Add Videos-Browse-Windows Network-MSHome and see my network locations but clicking any to browse files shows "Operation Not Permitted". Not the most happy result! It looks very similar to the MBOX but it's operation there was permitted.

 

 

if you are still running the old raspbmc it will have a really old copy of Kodi which is still using smbv1 which windows (and almost all other operating systems) now block.
You're much better off updating to OSMC/Kodi where you can specify the version of smb that you want to use




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  #2477875 6-May-2020 14:47
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Must admit the SMB thing is not easy to follow, but I have found I have all 3 SMB options (incl v1) selected in Win 10. This allows me to run anything on the LAN and still works so it may be not true here that windows (and almost all other operating systems) now block.

 

I'm considering what richms said - copy everything on the old pi SD card to a new card and putting that in Pi3.  Will that see it work just like the old, avoiding all these configuration issues?  I have a DVD that'll boot into Ubantu and there's a card reader in the comp. Will have to copy older SD to the newer, but I have an adapter...


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  #2477880 6-May-2020 14:56
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ADKM:

 

Must admit the SMB thing is not easy to follow, but I have found I have all 3 SMB options (incl v1) selected in Win 10. This allows me to run anything on the LAN and still works so it may be not true here that windows (and almost all other operating systems) now block.

 

I'm considering what richms said - copy everything on the old pi SD card to a new card and putting that in Pi3.  Will that see it work just like the old, avoiding all these configuration issues?  I have a DVD that'll boot into Ubantu and there's a card reader in the comp. Will have to copy older SD to the newer, but I have an adapter...

 

 

there is a reason smbv1 has been removed on Windows (unless you have temporarily re-enabled it) - and that is the gaping security holes.
You really shouldn't be using it any more




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  #2478023 6-May-2020 16:45
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Yes I have been told that, but I need the the functionality it allows.

 

I cloned the SD card, but with it, the new Pi just shows a multi-coloured screen. Back to square 1.


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