Need Help Getting Wall Ethernet Ports Connected

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#281116 31-Jan-2021 11:50

I've recently moved into a newly built town house which has wall ethernet ports throughout the house, I cannot get them working however.

I've tried to do some digging around research wise but am confused by the setup of the box where all the cables gather in the garage, compared to pictures I have seen of others.

Any help as to what I need to do to get the ports connected would be very much appreciated!

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#2644684 31-Jan-2021 12:04

That cabling hasn't been installed correctly. Depending on when you moved in I'd be demanding that whoever did the work come back and fix it so it is installed properly. There seems to be a *massive* problem in NZ with people installing data equipment who don't know anything at all about what they're doing.

The cabling at the top is your outlets - they are all punched down to a phone frame but should be terminated to a mini patch panel with RJ45 outlets so you can then patch these across to your router.

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#2644685 31-Jan-2021 12:07

The unit at the top should be one of these https://www.hills.co.nz/p/fire_security/structured_cabling/phone_data/Hills-HDM-808-DATA-PATCH-MODULE/S2119

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#2644692 31-Jan-2021 12:54

that is a horrendous install. Looks like a 90's sparky did it + Those telecom distribution module boards should be outlawed.

Get a pro in to fix it or as sbiddle has linked buy one of those a punch down tool and a few 50cm patch cables to fix it yourself.

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#2644693 31-Jan-2021 12:56

Wow that is an absolute dog's breakfast.

Slight sidetrack: I'm speccing out the wiring in a new build townhouse and want 15 ethernet outlets throughout the house. Does anyone know of a 16 port patch panel that would fit in the kind of Dynamix in-wall cabinet the OP has? It seems like once you jump from 12 ports they all become huge 1U units (example). Or is the best bet to just use two 8 port panels?

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#2644704 31-Jan-2021 13:22

allio:

Wow that is an absolute dog's breakfast.

Slight sidetrack: I'm speccing out the wiring in a new build townhouse and want 15 ethernet outlets throughout the house. Does anyone know of a 16 port patch panel that would fit in the kind of Dynamix in-wall cabinet the OP has? It seems like once you jump from 12 ports they all become huge 1U units (example). Or is the best bet to just use two 8 port panels?

I hate in-wall cabinets there is zero flexibility for things like switches and routers I prefer to terminate to the wall of a garage with the following

small rack https://cdlnz.com/RWM6 about $300

keystone panel https://cdlnz.com/PP-UK-24RM about $40

keystone modules https://cdlnz.com/FP-C6-008 about $10 each

The reason I recommend an unpopulated keystone panel is you can put other keystone modules in for things like F-type coax for tv etc

for the wall outlets I like PDL Iconic or 600 series mounted horizontally (this is a pedantic aesthetic look thing) however I don't like the PDL modules are they are not standards based keystone and prefer an PDL to Keystone adapter in the face plate and then use standard keystone modules

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#2644707 31-Jan-2021 13:26

shrub:

that is a horrendous install. Looks like a 90's sparky did it + Those telecom distribution module boards should be outlawed.

Get a pro in to fix it or as sbiddle has linked buy one of those a punch down tool and a few 50cm patch cables to fix it yourself.

I don't agree that they should be outlawed - they should be installed along with a patch panel. The "incoming" feed of the phone module should have a cable with RJ11 connector on the end that can be plugged into the ONT or RGW ATA port, and then a 1pr/2pr disconnect to RJ45 cable (looking quickly I can't find the actual cable on the hills website ) that allows the voice ports to be patched to the RJ45 patch panel and moved around as needed.

If this is a new build then it should be lodged as a defect and the people that did the work either called back to fix it for free, or if you have no faith in their ability to do that then them being billed for somebody who knows what they're doing to come and fix it.

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#2644711 31-Jan-2021 13:41

sbiddle:

shrub:

that is a horrendous install. Looks like a 90's sparky did it + Those telecom distribution module boards should be outlawed.

Get a pro in to fix it or as sbiddle has linked buy one of those a punch down tool and a few 50cm patch cables to fix it yourself.

I don't agree that they should be outlawed - they should be installed along with a patch panel. The "incoming" feed of the phone module should have a cable with RJ11 connector on the end that can be plugged into the ONT or RGW ATA port, and then a 1pr/2pr disconnect to RJ45 cable (looking quickly I can't find the actual cable on the hills website ) that allows the voice ports to be patched to the RJ45 patch panel and moved around as needed.

If this is a new build then it should be lodged as a defect and the people that did the work either called back to fix it for free, or if you have no faith in their ability to do that then them being billed for somebody who knows what they're doing to come and fix it.

I like plugging this into the ONT or RGW https://cdlnz.com/C-RJ45DS-4B then patching to wall ports (who has more than 4 phones around the house these days)

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#2644739 31-Jan-2021 13:51

Thanks for all of help and advice. Makes sense why I couldn't wrap my head around how to get it all linked up, will look into getting someone in who knows what they are doing to fix it up. Any ideas how much that would roughly cost? Otherwise I may chase up on who original installed. Thanks again

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#2644741 31-Jan-2021 13:55

JHarnski: Thanks for all of help and advice. Makes sense why I couldn't wrap my head around how to get it all linked up, will look into getting someone in who knows what they are doing to fix it up. Any ideas how much that would roughly cost? Otherwise I may chase up on who original installed. Thanks again

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#2644745 31-Jan-2021 13:58

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#2644746 31-Jan-2021 14:23

JHarnski: Christchurch

I don't know anyone in CHCH but find an experienced data cabler (not an electrician that does data cabling) they always seem to stuff things up

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#2644749 31-Jan-2021 14:37

TDH it looks like someone tried to wire it up for telephone service only - 1 line in connecting 3 other jacks.

The butchered wiring held together with grease connectors even function for basic internet? It looks like 1 port has been macguyvered together.

But you as others have said:

If the house has been presented and sold to you as having DATA cabling, its a lie

If the sale agreement is abigious or silent... well....

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#2644765 31-Jan-2021 15:18

JHarnski: Christchurch

We had our data, tv & home theatre wiring installed by Soundline Audio and they did a really good job.

Data is Cat-6 with about 12 outlets around the house and haven't had any problems.

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#2644787 31-Jan-2021 16:38

Out of interest....

Where is the incoming feed for the phone? Shouldn't it be connected to 'LINE IN' on the phone module?

What's the purpose of the yellow cable at the very top? Maybe a ground/earth?

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#2644794 31-Jan-2021 17:05

What a cluster f3ck, so to answer jbrook I suspect there is no phone circuit I guess its a naked connection and that vocus?? supplied router has not ata.

And even worse, someone skotch locked that lan cable on 😒

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