New Drones / Toy Helicopter law coming in 1st August

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#1358473 4-Aug-2015 11:08

mattwnz: ... a flying cricket ball would be more dangerous..

This example was brought up in the RNZ interview this morning. Is it a common example, a coincidence, or do we have RNZ Journalists reading our site?

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#1358540 4-Aug-2015 11:34

jurgensp99:

Make of that what you will cowboy

No just a keyboard warrior

yfu01

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#1359094 5-Aug-2015 08:57

Most New Zealaland park is not many people around. It is pretty safe if the person behave.
I really do not understand why impose the law ?
Drone nowaday is pretty safe. If it hits people, there should be other law to fine them ?

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#1359347 5-Aug-2015 13:22

yfu01: Most New Zealaland park is not many people around. It is pretty safe if the person behave.
I really do not understand why impose the law ?
Drone nowaday is pretty safe. If it hits people, there should be other law to fine them ?

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

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#1359439 5-Aug-2015 14:39

http://regionalparks.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cmsfiles/files/Interim%20rules_drones.pdf

Is it means most of the drone like DJI can Fly ?

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#1359443 5-Aug-2015 14:46

yfu01: http://regionalparks.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cmsfiles/files/Interim%20rules_drones.pdf

Is it means most of the drone like DJI can Fly ?

That's quite a quick response for the Council, and one that takes a logical approach - fly drones at will (but NOT fixed-wing aircraft, petrol helicopters, jet planes, etc. basically anything that belongs at a model club) but abide by some simple rules (copied here) and not at cemeteries:

• Be courteous of other park users, who often have visited the park for the quiet enjoyment of the park
• Not operate over a sports field if in use by others
• Not fly over any parked vehicles or roads
• Not operate within of 20 metres of or be flown over other users of the park or live stock
• Not operate within 20 metres of a sensitive wildlife habitats, or, nesting or roosting birds, such a NZ dotterel
• Not operate within 20 metres of or be flown over a park building
• Not operate during a fire ban period
• Not overfly adjoining private property
• Be in full view of the operator at all times (e.g. not visible through binoculars, or operated via monitor, or smartphone only)
• Be flown in daylight hours only, and
• Cease operation if requested by a member of the public or council staff

Although I can see the last one being a sticky point for some people - "Hey, I don't like your drone, stop flying it because I say so".

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#1359448 5-Aug-2015 14:48

??? Therefore, in general if there is not many people (as most of the weekday in Auckland).
We can fly right ?

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#1359449 5-Aug-2015 14:49

Without a consent from Council ???

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#1359453 5-Aug-2015 14:52

qyiet:
mattwnz: ... a flying cricket ball would be more dangerous..

This example was brought up in the RNZ interview this morning. Is it a common example, a coincidence, or do we have RNZ Journalists reading our site?

I heard that too. Spooky. I used that example, because a well known cricketer was recently killed by a ball, and my local parks has a number of cricket fields on it. I have also been injured by a cricket ball in the past, as they a really hard balls, and would rather be hit by my small helicopter, which is quite light weight, than a cricket ball.

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#1359454 5-Aug-2015 14:54

Did anyone take the time to read CAA circulars 101 and 71?

I think a lot of the reactions here is based on papers saying "you can't fly anywhere" when this is not exactly true.

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#1359455 5-Aug-2015 14:56

timbosan:
yfu01: http://regionalparks.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cmsfiles/files/Interim%20rules_drones.pdf

Is it means most of the drone like DJI can Fly ?

That's quite a quick response for the Council, and one that takes a logical approach - fly drones at will (but NOT fixed-wing aircraft, petrol helicopters, jet planes, etc. basically anything that belongs at a model club) but abide by some simple rules (copied here) and not at cemeteries:

• Be courteous of other park users, who often have visited the park for the quiet enjoyment of the park
• Not operate over a sports field if in use by others
• Not fly over any parked vehicles or roads
• Not operate within of 20 metres of or be flown over other users of the park or live stock
• Not operate within 20 metres of a sensitive wildlife habitats, or, nesting or roosting birds, such a NZ dotterel
• Not operate within 20 metres of or be flown over a park building
• Not operate during a fire ban period
• Not overfly adjoining private property
• Be in full view of the operator at all times (e.g. not visible through binoculars, or operated via monitor, or smartphone only)
• Be flown in daylight hours only, and
• Cease operation if requested by a member of the public or council staff

Although I can see the last one being a sticky point for some people - "Hey, I don't like your drone, stop flying it because I say so".

Quick for a council, but they have had months to come up with it. Most of that is just common sense. The last point isn't great, because a member of the public should be required to give a valid reason to cease operation. eg. Kids playing in the direct area it is operating. You may just get some grumpy guy going out telling people to stop flying them for their own fun. I could basically go down to the park and tell everyone to stop flying their drones etc, for no reason at all. You do have to wonder who makes up some of these rules and whether they actually think them through..

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#1359457 5-Aug-2015 14:59

yfu01: ??? Therefore, in general if there is not many people (as most of the weekday in Auckland).
We can fly right ?

what does the pdf you posted say? as long as you abide by those points you can. But dont forget to obey the CAA rules too

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#1359460 5-Aug-2015 15:10

mattwnz: Quick for a council, but they have had months to come up with it.

Did you read the first paragraph of the document ?

Unfortunately Auckland Council was not made aware of the impending changes, therefore have not had time to work through the implications of the new rules and the most effective way to manage such activities in public places we manage.

We have therefore decided on an interim approach.

Sounds like the good old government agency cooperation failure is in operation....

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#1359464 5-Aug-2015 15:13

wellygary:
mattwnz: Quick for a council, but they have had months to come up with it.

Did you read the first paragraph of the document ?

Unfortunately Auckland Council was not made aware of the impending changes, therefore have not had time to work through the implications of the new rules and the most effective way to manage such activities in public places we manage.
We have therefore decided on an interim approach.

Sounds like the good old government agency cooperation failure is in operation....

Well I was aware of it months ago just from media stories, and I wouldn't have had any more information that the council didn't have...maybe they don't read the news. My local council though doesn't have such rules in place, they just told me it was fine to fly it.

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#1359469 5-Aug-2015 15:18

Reasonably pleased about the Auckland Council rules - seem fair enough, except for potentially the last one.

e.g. Was flying mine at Omana Regional Park a few weeks back and the Ranger said no can do - "Its Policy" - so I did as requested. It would seem that under the new rules this would no longer be "Policy" - other than the last rule....

Would probably pay to move on as there is no point being a dick about it - and just find a different park with no Ranger :)

Note: Phantom etc video drones are one thing - slowish - and generally under control.

The new racing fpv drones which look well cool - would be an altogether different and much higher risk. Keen to get one of these myself - but given that slower ones do 40 km/h and fast ones 100 km/h+ - people are gonna have to be far more careful re people and property.

And finally - this guy is world class and thankfully has his own field play in - crazy fast :)

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