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saikit

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#62069 28-May-2010 19:54

now google "suicide iphone foxconn" you will read what happen in foxconn, one largest manufacture for iphone and dell,

here are more links in CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/27/china.worker.suicides/index.html?hpt=C2
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/BUSINESS/07/22/china.apple.iphone.suicide/index.html

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#335931 28-May-2010 20:20

I think it's nothing to do with apple. It's foxconn's problem

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#335942 28-May-2010 20:57

And its not just apple its also Nintendo and HP also

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rebeltrousers

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#335943 28-May-2010 20:58

For the hundreds-of-thousands of workers there the average (per 100,000) is still less than the rate per 100,000 citizens in china....and many other countries for that matter. I think the media just loves to jump on things like this and quote statistics without any perspective.

Granted that with foxconn it's in one facility, but it'd be interesting (if a bit morbid and sad) to know what the rate is for Macdonalds employees vs starbucks in USA etc.

NZ's rate is 13.2 per 100,000
SO if there were 300,000 people (like the population of workers at foxconn) that'd make almost 40?

Still...don't get me wrong for a second, I really do think it's tragic. When someone takes their own life everyone involved in any way is rreparably damaged.
:(

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#335951 28-May-2010 21:25

The coffee we enjoy is in some cases harvested by people who are exploited. The eggs you think are Free Range might not quite be as "free range" as you think/hope they are. Your clothes/shoes could be made by 8 year olds.

Shall I even mention the oil that goes in our cars and where it comes from?

I'm not trying to say any of these things should be ignored or glossed over. But if you're going to single out the people that have to make the iPhone, what about all the other people/animals/planets above?

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#335963 28-May-2010 22:10

Unless we were to work in that factory, in that culture, and see the whole picture, how can we pass judgement?? I doubt we can really get our heads around the whole picture because without growing up in such an alien environment we can't even pretend we understand the dynamics.

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#335996 29-May-2010 00:33

I decided to sync my iPhone with iTunes today and I was thinking many negative thoughts too. There's no tall buildings around here fortunately so no-one was harmed.

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#335999 29-May-2010 00:51

oxnsox: Unless we were to work in that factory, in that culture, and see the whole picture, how can we pass judgement?? I doubt we can really get our heads around the whole picture because without growing up in such an alien environment we can't even pretend we understand the dynamics.

Huh? From one of the articles:

Liang's death was the ninth in a spate of similar incidents in which Foxconn employees have fallen to their deaths from buildings. Shenzhen police are treating the cases as suicides.

Nine suicides at Foxconn, obviously pressure from Apple has some part to play in it.

But then again it's Apple, so they do no wrong (unlike Microsoft)

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saikit

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#336031 29-May-2010 10:35

nate:
oxnsox: Unless we were to work in that factory, in that culture, and see the whole picture, how can we pass judgement?? I doubt we can really get our heads around the whole picture because without growing up in such an alien environment we can't even pretend we understand the dynamics.

Huh? From one of the articles:

Liang's death was the ninth in a spate of similar incidents in which Foxconn employees have fallen to their deaths from buildings. Shenzhen police are treating the cases as suicides.

Nine suicides at Foxconn, obviously pressure from Apple has some part to play in it.

But then again it's Apple, so they do no wrong (unlike Microsoft)

Update to present, it has been 13 suicides in foxconn in half an year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100527/ap_on_hi_te/as_china_foxconn_deaths

MikeyPI

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#336060 29-May-2010 14:00

rebeltrousers: For the hundreds-of-thousands of workers there the average (per 100,000) is still less than the rate per 100,000 citizens in china....and many other countries for that matter. I think the media just loves to jump on things like this and quote statistics without any perspective.

Granted that with foxconn it's in one facility, but it'd be interesting (if a bit morbid and sad) to know what the rate is for Macdonalds employees vs starbucks in USA etc.

NZ's rate is 13.2 per 100,000
SO if there were 300,000 people (like the population of workers at foxconn) that'd make almost 40?

Still...don't get me wrong for a second, I really do think it's tragic. When someone takes their own life everyone involved in any way is rreparably damaged.
:(

Statistically that's an erroneous comparison, as it presupposes that Foxconn employees are representative of the entire population, which of course is incorrect.
You would need to see breakdowns of age, sex, beliefs etc, to get a proper comparison.

MikeyPI

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#336062 29-May-2010 14:03

Also I'm unsure about the surrounding, as the engineer who lost the first iPhone, and was a "suicide", but the facts of the death were very suspect, more in line with coercion than a straight suicide.

rebeltrousers

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#336084 29-May-2010 14:47

MikeyPI:
rebeltrousers: For the hundreds-of-thousands of workers there the average (per 100,000) is still less than the rate per 100,000 citizens in china....and many other countries for that matter. I think the media just loves to jump on things like this and quote statistics without any perspective.

Granted that with foxconn it's in one facility, but it'd be interesting (if a bit morbid and sad) to know what the rate is for Macdonalds employees vs starbucks in USA etc.

NZ's rate is 13.2 per 100,000
SO if there were 300,000 people (like the population of workers at foxconn) that'd make almost 40?

Still...don't get me wrong for a second, I really do think it's tragic. When someone takes their own life everyone involved in any way is rreparably damaged.
:(

Statistically that's an erroneous comparison, as it presupposes that Foxconn employees are representative of the entire population, which of course is incorrect.
You would need to see breakdowns of age, sex, beliefs etc, to get a proper comparison.

TRUE, because that would assume that some foxconn workers were newly-born and some were over 90-years old.
*retracted* (but wouldn't put it past them lol)

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#336460 31-May-2010 09:03

From Wikipedia.org...

Among other things, Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod, the iPad, and the iPhone for Apple Inc.; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.; various orders for American computer manufacturers Dell and Hewlett-Packard; motherboards for UK computer manufacturer Zoostorm; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo; the Xbox 360 for Microsoft, cell phones for Motorola, the Amazon Kindle, and Cisco equipment.

So you still want to buy a PS3 or Wii or Kindle or Cisco box etc etc etc.

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#336464 31-May-2010 09:10

Makes me want to buy 3 iphones! Nah only joking, but like it's been mentioned, they have choice, plus the amount of deaths for 300,000 people isnt all that much.

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#336473 31-May-2010 09:25

saikit:
nate:
oxnsox: Unless we were to work in that factory, in that culture, and see the whole picture, how can we pass judgement?? I doubt we can really get our heads around the whole picture because without growing up in such an alien environment we can't even pretend we understand the dynamics.

Huh? From one of the articles:

Liang's death was the ninth in a spate of similar incidents in which Foxconn employees have fallen to their deaths from buildings. Shenzhen police are treating the cases as suicides.

Nine suicides at Foxconn, obviously pressure from Apple has some part to play in it.

But then again it's Apple, so they do no wrong (unlike Microsoft)

Update to present, it has been 13 suicides in foxconn in half an year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100527/ap_on_hi_te/as_china_foxconn_deaths

if you look at the statistics

Basic age of Foxconn workers 16-24, 24-35 group brackets, it still is lower than Chinas rate for those brackets. Plus they have just been given a 20% payrise. Of course the pay rise should have come before: Harrassing the staff member over the original iPhone incident, security guards beating others, hiring an exorcist/healer for the place...

Does this mean you won't buy:

Apple, Dell, HP, ECS, Intel motherboards and most other motherboards(a lot of motherboards use foxconn sockets), Playstation 3, Wii, Xbox360, Motorola, Cisco networking gear, Kindle

Ok, apart from motorola, who haven't really produced a good phone since the Razor 5 years ago, would you seriously skip out on all that?

I seriously wouldn't. It's a total overreaction. Everyone knows suicide clusters usually follow a suicide, whether it be in NZ or China, it doesn't matter

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#336474 31-May-2010 09:27

jofizz: From Wikipedia.org...

Among other things, Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod, the iPad, and the iPhone for Apple Inc.; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.; various orders for American computer manufacturers Dell and Hewlett-Packard; motherboards for UK computer manufacturer Zoostorm; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo; the Xbox 360 for Microsoft, cell phones for Motorola, the Amazon Kindle, and Cisco equipment.

So you still want to buy a PS3 or Wii or Kindle or Cisco box etc etc etc.

Ah double crap :(

I spent too long writing up my previous response hahaha

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