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Topic # 55438 4-Jan-2010 16:43
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Hi, we did a trip over Christmas.  My Navman went wonky and lost the signal.  I left my handheld Garmin at home. 

So i took the Nokia E75 out, I did use it at home with the NZ map installed, or was that the Wellington map only?   I think I also had the 7 day demo for navigation but not the turn by turn was not part of the demo. 

While in Auckland, that demo obviously ended and I didn't pay the $4.95/day casual rate.  I used the $1 for 10MB plan with Vodafone.  I found that if I didn't pay the $4.95 I couldn't get any navigation?  This is true?  I select the address and it sent me to this page for payment, I chose cancel and it deleted my search path.  I could just track myself on the map with no heading direction.  So I had to use it manually like a paper map. 

When I was in Auckland, at times it would need to download the maps via mobile broadband.  At times the map would go blank waiting for download.  This was in Auckland, Mt Roskill going to Okura (North Shore).  Which was why I asked, did I only have a Wellington map and not a full NZ map?  Also are mobile broadband downloading on the fly not adequate?



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  Reply # 286929 4-Jan-2010 17:06
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Did you actually install any maps? There is no such thing as a Wgtn only map - you either installed the NZ one or none at all, in which case it will use data.

I've got no idea why downloads didn't work well, I've never tried Nokia/Ovi Maps without loading the map first due to the significant amount of data it does chew through downloading the maps over the internet.

Nokia/Ovi Maps is not free for Navigation which is why it prompted you for payment. Some handsets such as the Navigators come with a licence - most do not.






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  Reply # 286935 4-Jan-2010 17:18
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Ok. So what maps are there that navigation is free? I have a Nokia E75.

I did install the maps into my unit at home, at the time I did have a trial around with it in Wellington. In Auckland I was unprepared that my Navman didn't work, so I did what I could with the Nokia.

Yep there is a Ovi icon under my application menu....

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 286937 4-Jan-2010 17:23
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There is nothing that is free.

Google Maps does navigation but uses data and is not turn by turn.



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  Reply # 286939 4-Jan-2010 17:36
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Are other mobile phone makers in the same line - ie., to use GPS there is a fee assoc.?

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  Reply # 286948 4-Jan-2010 17:58
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It's using GPS that costs money - it's mapping software. Software costs money to develop and licencing mapping data costs money. It's crazy for them to give something away for free when there is no need. When you buy a GPS you're paying for the software and have to pay for updates, Ovi Maps is no different.

I don't know what free options there are for other handsets but other than the Google Android supporting Google Navigation and some people who have used other maps for Windows Mobile devices.

Garmin did make a Symbian app (once again not free) but this has been discontinued but can be used with 3rd party navigation maps.

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  Reply # 286999 4-Jan-2010 21:08
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To be clear I thought the maps were free, but the navigation side (turn based using voice) is what costs.




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  Reply # 287014 4-Jan-2010 21:45
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Yep, not much point if navigation cost to use thou. On my Nokia I cannot even get instructions (not voice) ie. at what screen it beeps and you look at the screen to where to turn etc...

Once you say go to 1 Queens Street, it sets a path for you in the map, is that green color then it directs you to payment. Regardless if you want voice or not.

Then, there is not 'that much difference' using the free maps vs using a paper map. With the free maps there is still mobile data cost.

In terms of cost it would be less to say buy a Garmin handheld unit and download the free maps into that people make themselves.

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  Reply # 287027 4-Jan-2010 22:33
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Okay I'll outline it for you simply....

Ovi/Nokia Maps application = FREE
Ovi/Nokia Maps Updates and map data = FREE with the caveat that you need to have preloaded the maps you want via your PC previously, if you haven't loaded the maps you before you start searching for a POI or route then Ovi/Nokia Maps will download the map data over the air which obviously eats into your data plan (be it casual or otherwise)
Ovi/Nokia Maps Voice Guided Drive Navigation = A premium paid service which is charged to your credit card. You can get a 7 day trial licence for an area of your choice ONCE and ONCE only for each handset.
Ovi/Nokia Maps City Guides = A Premium paid service which is a once off cost for walk navigation globally
Ovi/Nokia Maps Traffic and Safety = a Premium Paid Service which has options similar to Voice Guided Navigation in terms of payment options.

Hope this clears up your confusion.

It would seem you hadn't correctly loaded your New Zealand map as there is no way to enter separate states in New Zealand.
You could have used your 7 day licence for Voice Guided Navigation around Auckland regardless of whether you had pre loaded the map data or not.



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  Reply # 287036 4-Jan-2010 22:51
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I am sure I downloaded the map, maybe I have one micro SD card and I share that with my Garmin 60Csx and when I pop into the Nokia, some settings are not there...... In Wellington I had the 7 day demo. In Auckland I had to pay etc...

Was in Auckland for 4 days, only used the GPS on Nokia for 1 day.

Sure, map downloads are free. But if you used up your demo. For free (apart from data cost), all you can do is look at the map manually and head like a paper map while it tracks your position. You cannot even ask it to establish a route for you unless you pay. By not paying, you cannot say, tell me how to get to 1 Queens Street and I will follow this green line.

Cheaper to get a true GPS unit.

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  Reply # 287088 5-Jan-2010 09:21
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The 7 day licence is for 7 days Voice Guided Navigation for Australia and New Zealand, for the whole 7 days.

If you're swapping the memory card in and out of different devices throughout the 7 days then yes I would assume you will come up with issues and this is where you would have come undone with your navigation licence also. If, once you'd put the memory car back into your Nokia device, you had told the Maps application to update what licences you had available I can assure you that when you were in Auckland you would have had the full use of the Voice Guided Navigation.

I think the whole issue here is that you're taking the memory card (which is where the map data is stored) out of the handset. microsd cards are pretty cheap, I would suggest getting a separate one for each device.



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  Reply # 287122 5-Jan-2010 11:01
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Yep just found I had to format the mem card before my Garmin software would recognise it.

Dunno, I did the 7 day demo on the net, at the time I had navigation but no voice to voice that was not part of the demo. I had a look and NZ was not part of the drop down menu.

After selecting E75 phone, NZ is not there ....

If it is the license that came with the phone purchase I got a parallel import ....




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  Reply # 287146 5-Jan-2010 12:19
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Yep but didn't thought I use my Nokia GPS. I left my Garmin at home and just took the Navman which is now in service. If I use another GPS I take the GPS at least I have full maps and no cost assoc and incl navigation guidance.

The link for above - I couldn't find the demo anymore.
http://europe.nokia.com/explore-services/ovi-maps/downloads-and-services#test-drive-3

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  Reply # 287159 5-Jan-2010 13:46
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rayonline: Yep but didn't thought I use my Nokia GPS. I left my Garmin at home and just took the Navman which is now in service. If I use another GPS I take the GPS at least I have full maps and no cost assoc and incl navigation guidance.

The link for above - I couldn't find the demo anymore.
http://europe.nokia.com/explore-services/ovi-maps/downloads-and-services#test-drive-3


The handheld GPS business models differ significantly in other parts of the world compared in NZ - the Nokia business model isn't quite as applicable in NZ as it is in other countries in the world.

If you buy a handheld GPS in a country like the UK you can almost consider it a subscription service rather than a one off cost like NZ. So much changes every year that buying a new map update becomes a necessity. Here in NZ very little changes - I'd be surprised if most people even bother udating their GPS units, they consider it a one off cost.

With a Tomtom for example it costs £7.95 per quarter to keep your UK maps up to date. Nokia's model of charging per year is no different and is very much the norm in most larger countries where thing change frequently and you really do have to keep them up to date if you drive a lot.



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