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DrDoug
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  #3471335 18-Mar-2026 11:17
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Thanks to moosee for posting this, otherwise I would have thought I may be the only one.

 

I've been dealing with this same issue over the last week and wanted to share what I've learned from going through Orcon's support process in full.

 

After escalating through multiple staff members, I received written confirmation of two significant things: first, that there is a "confirmed known issue" affecting SpamTitan; and second, that the email service "is no longer a lifetime offering."

 

For those of us who have held these addresses for decades on the basis of that original promise, that second point is worth noting carefully — and it has now been compounded by a further disclosure: Orcon support has confirmed that following the Orcon/2degrees merger, the email service may be discontinued entirely. This was not communicated proactively to customers. It was disclosed in an individual support thread.

 

I also had four out of six Orcon support replies caught by SpamTitan — including one that was redelivered from virusalert@orcon.net.nz — which tells you something about how misconfigured the filter is.

 

I have put it to Orcon directly that they have a Consumer Guarantees Act 1993 obligation to communicate the merger and discontinuation risk to their entire lifetime email customer base through a fully robust method — given that SpamTitan would likely catch a broadcast email, the irony of that challenge is not lost. This customer base will include many elderly people who may have no idea their communications have been silently disappearing, or that their address may soon cease to exist.

 

I am now migrating my primary address and have raised the matter formally, citing the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993. For anyone else significantly affected, the Disputes Tribunal — which I am considering unless Orcon appropriately deals with this situation for its entire 'email for life' customer base — is a low-cost option worth considering, particularly given that Orcon has now acknowledged the fault in writing.

 

I supported Orcon when they started because they were the kiwi underdog small player at the time, and sadly, very sadly, I'm now navigating what turned out to be a surprisingly significant consumer rights matter, dressed up as an email problem. There's a lot of history attached to a string of text before an @ symbol.

 

Good luck to everyone else navigating this too.




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  #3471354 18-Mar-2026 13:03
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To clarify why I said four years: the version of SpamTitan Orcon is currently using is 7.13.67, dated April 2022. Orcon support confirmed this was not being updated. The latest version is 8.02, dated September 2025.

 

Because SpamTitan deletes quarantined emails after 21 days, potentially this is almost four years of this problem self-erasing — something not currently addressed or disputed by Orcon support, despite being raised explicitly in writing.

 

It's been unsettling finding emails from my elderly mother in quarantine, when the same day I receive other of her emails directly to my inbox.

 

For my migration, initially I have moved to Gmail as it is free and simple. However, Proton will be my paid option once I'm settled in my new email home.


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  #3471389 18-Mar-2026 15:34
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Anyone haveing issues to log in? I can’t log in today 




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  #3471393 18-Mar-2026 15:45
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Same, hopefully fixing whatever issue and not shutting the service down...


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  #3471394 18-Mar-2026 15:49
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yitz:

 

Same, hopefully fixing whatever issue and not shutting the service down...

 

 

even worse can’t reset password as ends up on spam :) 


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  #3471395 18-Mar-2026 15:51
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Stu1:

 

even worse can’t reset password as ends up on spam :) 

 

 

I was previously logged in and getting
Connection to storage server failed.
Server Error: Empty startup greeting (<imap server:port>)


 
 
 
 

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  #3471396 18-Mar-2026 15:54
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yitz:

 

I'm already logged in and getting
Connection to storage server failed.
Server Error: Empty startup greeting (<imap server:port>)

 

 

Webmail configuration error?

 

It's been a long time since I talked IMAP directly, so I can't remember the commands, but I assume it's connecting to the same Dovecot server running POP3. I can login to the POP3 server directly.


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  #3471397 18-Mar-2026 16:00
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DrDoug:

 

For those of us who have held these addresses for decades on the basis of that original promise, that second point is worth noting carefully — and it has now been compounded by a further disclosure: Orcon support has confirmed that following the Orcon/2degrees merger, the email service may be discontinued entirely. This was not communicated proactively to customers. It was disclosed in an individual support thread.

 

 

This is a concern.  I phased out my "lifetime" @orcon.net.nz email address a few years ago but still have Gmail clearing that mailbox for me and flagging imported Orcon mail to cover the just in case scenarios.  I've intended to do the same for my parents who are a lot more problematic but saw somewhere a suggestion in passing Google was closing their external mail checking service too?


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  #3471398 18-Mar-2026 16:01
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SirHumphreyAppleby:

 

Webmail configuration error?

 

 

Considering this thread I would put it down to maintenance (and not the permanent kind either lol)...

 

The 10.x.x.x IP would likely be the internal non-rate limited IMAP server?


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  #3471401 18-Mar-2026 16:07
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yitz:

 

Considering this thread I would put it down to maintenance (and not the permanent kind either lol)...

 

The 10.x.x.x IP would likely be the internal non-rate limited IMAP server?

 

 

I haven't seen the error message myself, but I would assume it's either the same server listening on all interfaces, or a second interface which may be configured differently (rate limits, sans SSL etc).

 

Definitely either a maintenance issue, or in the unlikely event that maintenance has actually been done, a validation error.


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  #3471418 18-Mar-2026 16:37
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Having a bad day at the data centre? 

 

2Degrees Voice Outage

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 

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  #3471425 18-Mar-2026 16:43
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Back up now, emails coming through now . Just unblocked 5 :(


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  #3471569 18-Mar-2026 21:02
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DrDoug:

 

Thanks to moosee for posting this, otherwise I would have thought I may be the only one.

 

I've been dealing with this same issue over the last week and wanted to share what I've learned from going through Orcon's support process in full.

 

After escalating through multiple staff members, I received written confirmation of two significant things: first, that there is a "confirmed known issue" affecting SpamTitan; and second, that the email service "is no longer a lifetime offering."

 

 

Thanks heaps for sharing this, it is much appreciated.  I tried several times to get Orcon to acknowledge the problem without success, so well done. With regards to the "lifetime" email hosting I have been wondering whether it would indeed continue "forever" or if Orcon might drop it sometime and am disappointed to know that they do intend to. It looks like it might be time to change to another provider - Gmail is the only one I know of but will have a look at Proton. 


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  #3479972 11-Apr-2026 09:01
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Update: I have now completed the full internal complaints process with Orcon, escalating to 2degrees Customer Relations Manager level.

 

Their final position is a cynical rewording that the email service is 'legacy' and provided 'as-is' i.e., they've known it's faulty for at least a year and have no plans to fix anything or make any upgrades.

 

They acknowledge the issue but offer no redress or public statement to their customer base. They recommended I migrate to another provider.

 

I also observed during this process that emails are deleted from quarantine in approximately six days, not 21 days as stated on their own help page. This essentially makes SpamTitan a silent document shredder.

 

I am now proceeding to the Disputes Tribunal. For anyone else significantly affected, it remains a low-cost option worth considering — particularly given that Orcon has made several significant admissions in writing throughout this process, which form the basis of a claim under the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993.


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  #3479977 11-Apr-2026 09:27
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DrDoug:

 

I am now proceeding to the Disputes Tribunal. For anyone else significantly affected, it remains a low-cost option worth considering — particularly given that Orcon has made several significant admissions in writing throughout this process, which form the basis of a claim under the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993.

 

 

What loss did you suffer? While I agree 2Degrees ought to be doing better and be held accountable for any losses resulting from their lack of performance, I don't see how the Disputes Tribunal will be able to provide any resolution.


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