Picture quality - UHF vs streaming app

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#318236 29-Dec-2024 12:54

UHF aerial here became a victim to the wind :(

My options are to get a new aerial, use the Sky dish alredy installed on the roof (no longer use Sky service) or use the Freeview streaming app. I want the best picture quality.

I think satellite is lower quality than UHF. How about the streaming app? Is the quality the same as UHF (assuming a decent internet connection?)

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#3325816 29-Dec-2024 13:03

Steaming is garbage quality.. Def nowhere near UHF

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#3325818 29-Dec-2024 13:05

UHF picture quality is superior to all the other methods you mention.

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#3325880 29-Dec-2024 13:26

No 5.1 Audio with streaming also I’ve noticed

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#3325884 29-Dec-2024 13:38

Freeview is getting a new sat in April and implication from their website is that they will be changing to DVB-S2 with at least H.264 encoding. Implication from Freeview 2022 specs page 61 is that they will go to HD using H.265 - I think HD is likely but will make a lot of older decoders redundant if using H.265. Channels coming from Sky mux 12519 will be H.264.

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https://freeviewnz.tv/Media/o4pp5qwe/freeview-specification-2022-v15.pdf

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#3325964 29-Dec-2024 15:27

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Freeview is getting a new sat in April and implication from their website is that they will be changing to DVB-S2 with at least H.264 encoding. Implication from Freeview 2022 specs page 61 is that they will go to HD using H.265 - I think HD is likely but will make a lot of older decoders redundant if using H.265. Channels coming from Sky mux 12519 will be H.264.

Would this give picture quality as good as current UHF? I have salvaged the remains of my UHF aerial and its still working but needs new mounting hardware. If the new satellite is going to be UHF-quality I might just do a temporary fix to the aerial and changeover to the new satellite later.

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#3325991 29-Dec-2024 18:41

I was initially surprised by the discussion. Apparently you still have analogue TV. It was already switched off here in mid-2009. We only have digital TV (DVB - Cable, Satellite, Terrestrial) and streaming - both in high picture quality.

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#3325992 29-Dec-2024 18:46

Analog was shutdown in 2013. What we are talking about is mpeg2 encoded SD streams (May 2007) on satellite (12 channels on one 22.5 MHz mux and 8 on another - an SD vulgarity which is hardly fit for a modern TV) vs. H.264 encoded HD/SD streams on terrestrial (April 2008).

Note: With Optus 11 being delayed Sky will shift to Optus D3/10 @ 156E on Optus D2's demise. Freeview we can only assume from what is on Freeview's website will reside on a new currently unknown sat at 160E.

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#3326002 29-Dec-2024 19:11

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Analog was shutdown in 2013. What we are talking about is mpeg2 encoded SD streams (May 2007) on satellite (12 channels on one 22.5 MHz mux and 8 on another - an SD vulgarity which is hardly fit for a modern TV) vs. H.264 encoded HD/SD streams on terrestrial (April 2008).

Ah, ok. We only have HD, HEVC/H.265 upwards since 2019.

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#3326003 29-Dec-2024 19:12

Tinkerisk:
I was initially surprised by the discussion. Apparently you still have analogue TV.

Noones said analog. UHF != Analogue.
UHF is the broadcast medium. Dvb-t is still broadcast on UHF spectrum ~500Mhz.

Average joe calls them by the source. UHF or satellite/dish.Not a differing dvb standard. Similarly as we didn't have the 'cable tv' Penetration as other countries. But the current satellite feed may as well be analogue. It's garbage unless it's via sky transponders

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#3326005 29-Dec-2024 19:17

Oblivian:
Tinkerisk:

I was initially surprised by the discussion. Apparently you still have analogue TV.

Noones said analog. UHF != Analogue.
UHF is the broadcast medium. Dvb-t is still broadcast on UHF spectrum ~500Mhz.

Average joe calls them by the source. UHF or satellite/dish.Not a differing dvb standard. Similarly as we didn't have the 'cable tv' Penetration as other countries. But the current satellite feed may as well be analogue. It's garbage unless it's via sky transponders

I know. We even don’t have DVB-T anymore (but DVB-T2).

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#3326008 29-Dec-2024 19:44

Tinkerisk:

I know. We even don’t have DVB-T anymore (but DVB-T2).

It looks like the initial DVB-T2 spec came out just two months after we deployed DVB-T, so it wouldn't have been practical to upgrade to it immediately (and ask all the early adopters to re-buy their boxes).

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#3326020 29-Dec-2024 20:59

Behodar:

Tinkerisk:

I know. We even don’t have DVB-T anymore (but DVB-T2).

It looks like the initial DVB-T2 spec came out just two months after we deployed DVB-T, so it wouldn't have been practical to upgrade to it immediately (and ask all the early adopters to re-buy their boxes).

Understandable. The average people here were also not enthusiastic about the changeover from the last DVB-T to DVB-T2 only after 10 years, but that was a bigger gap than a few months. This did not require a new set-top box, but a new television with built-in DVB-T2 (many people still had their stone old, but fully functional analogue CRT-TVs, which were simply supplemented with a DVB-T box to become ‘digital’). Today, nobody talks about it anymore and ~90% of the population is (live) streaming via internet anyway (including public television).

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#3326103 30-Dec-2024 08:45

UHF is better but is outdated technology

Streaming in NZ needs to kick it up a notch in the following areas

4K Freeview
Not be 2-3 minutes behind linear broadcast (there encoding Technolgies now that bring it down to 2-3 seconds)

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#3326108 30-Dec-2024 09:04

nztim:
UHF is better but is outdated technology

Streaming in NZ needs to kick it up a notch in the following areas

4K Freeview

Not be 2-3 minutes behind linear broadcast (there encoding Technolgies now that bring it down to 2-3 seconds)

Hi Tim, totally agree, but my guess is while both FTA broadcasters are laying off staff and services to stay alive I suspect not a lot will happen on that front.

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#3326110 30-Dec-2024 09:12

cyril7:

Hi Tim, totally agree, but my guess is while both FTA broadcasters are laying off staff and services to stay alive I suspect not a lot will happen on that front.

Cyril

Guess you're right, still why I have Sky and not got gone to Sky Sport Now.... I could not handle sport with a 3-4 minute delay.

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