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adresdendoll

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#154538 31-Oct-2014 07:28
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Hey everyone,

I've got a bit of a tricky problem that is outside of my scope of expertise and I'm wanting to pick your brains to see if any of you have come with a decent solution to something similar.

I'm trying to figure out a solution for a getting real-time understanding of how many people (staff and contractors) are located on each site and where they are located ie. floor. Essentially we have a number of sites that we would like to be able to identify who is inside a company building and where in the building they are.
This is the precursor to enabling Activity Based Working, the problem is that we don’t know who is where, when or for how long; we can't estimate our requirements without a solid starting set of metrics 
A bonus of this solution is that it will also dramatically increases physical security data in the event of something bad happening.

We can't use ‘log in’ from AD data as we do not and will not enforce forced daily log offs or restarts. We also have a number of people (a variable number) that VPN into the network. This is the same reason something like proxy log data won't work.

We can't use the current physical swipe card data as people will often tailgate each other through doors. We also do not force swipe outs, so the data is one sided. It's very unlikely that we would be able to enforce or maintain the level of staff discipline that a system like this would require in any case.

I’ve seen the physical under the desk mounted units and whilst they would work, they are outside what I’m wanting to pay if possible.
My thoughts were around using some form of passive RFID to monitor entrances and exits but so far I've been pretty disappointed at the options.

Do you have any bright ideas on how to solve something like this?

Thanks.

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Inphinity
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  #1165467 31-Oct-2014 08:21
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Get some people counters on the entries and exits is probably the best option, or change your access system to prevent 'tailgating' - 1 swipe 1 entry.

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  #1165470 31-Oct-2014 08:25
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What kind of specificity do you require in terms of numbers?

How many sites/floors do you want to count (and how many entrances)?  

How long do you want to have this data coming in for (ie. indefinitely or just short term)?

What is a ball park figure on your budget?

I have a solution in mind, but just want to clarify your requirements.

 
 
 
 


SirHumphreyAppleby
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  #1165471 31-Oct-2014 08:30
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How about using WiFi?

There is a research project called WiSee, where researchers are using WiFi to detect gestures without line-of-site visibility.

http://wisee.cs.washington.edu/


adresdendoll

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  #1165484 31-Oct-2014 08:48
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What kind of specificity do you require in terms of numbers?
The higher the specificity the better. The primary driver for the solution is gathering staff/building usage but the secondary driver of accurate data for physical security and disaster situations requires a high level detail.

How many sites/floors do you want to count (and how many entrances)?
Dozens of sites and MANY entrances. Depending on the solution it may just be our national office with would contain 60 entrances at a guess.
 
How long do you want to have this data coming in for (ie. indefinitely or just short term)?
Ideally long term but the cost will be the determining factor.

What is a ball park figure on your budget?
As low as possible but expected to be around $50k total. This includes the design and implementation.

adresdendoll

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  #1165490 31-Oct-2014 08:51
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How about using WiFi?

Wi-Fi would be ideal but we do not have nationwide Wi-Fi rolled out. We don't even have a full deployment in our national office in any case.

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  #1165892 31-Oct-2014 13:39
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Marcomms.co.nz supply an end to end (data capture -> Live Data Dashboard) solution of stereophonic people analytics.  I know that in the new year they are introducing a new camera device that supports both tracking as well as security analytics and feeds, and iBeacon technology.  To be honest the success rate of iBeacon doesnt impress me, and relys on wifi and/or bluetooth being available.  I have seen the people counting analytics in action, and its pretty amazing, although not sure it would guarantee 100% reliability.  I can PM you a contact for them if you want to have a chat.

adresdendoll

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  #1165895 31-Oct-2014 13:49
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Yeah, please PM some contact details.
It's not an ideal solution but it warrants further investigation.

Thanks.

 
 
 
 


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  #1165902 31-Oct-2014 13:57
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Meraki do this with their WiFi products, can even track heat maps etc and is pretty awesome.




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