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#2608414 22-Nov-2020 13:40

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k1w1k1d:

Not sure about needing a SIM for emergency calls?

Just tried old Vodafone Android phone with no SIM fitted and it advised that there was no SIM fitted and "Emergency Calls Only".

Same result here, phone has never been connected to a network, its just for the kids to play with

But the phone won't connect the 111/112 call. It is to stop false calls to emergency services because the old phone was "for the kids to play with"

Try to call 111 (with no SIM )and see what happens...

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#2608421 22-Nov-2020 13:56

k1w1k1d:

Not sure about needing a SIM for emergency calls?

Just tried old Vodafone Android phone with no SIM fitted and it advised that there was no SIM fitted and "Emergency Calls Only".

This was one of the oversights with GSM, that a handset cant display anything else at that point. It wont work. Needs a sim that works well enough to attempt network registration in the phone to work, and even then I think they are able to block them because of stupid kids playing with phones given to them by stupid parents.

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#2608424 22-Nov-2020 14:07

andrewcnz:
But the phone won't connect the 111/112 call. It is to stop false calls to emergency services because the old phone was "for the kids to play with"

Try to call 111 (with no SIM )and see what happens...

Why don't you try it? My phone with no sim displays emergency calls only, I'd expect it to work.

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#2608425 22-Nov-2020 14:14

Bung:
andrewcnz:

But the phone won't connect the 111/112 call. It is to stop false calls to emergency services because the old phone was "for the kids to play with"

Try to call 111 (with no SIM )and see what happens...

Why don't you try it? My phone with no sim displays emergency calls only, I'd expect it to work.

@Bung No SIM call will not connect to 111

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#2608431 22-Nov-2020 14:42

Bung: Why don't you try it? My phone with no sim displays emergency calls only, I'd expect it to work.

You would be disappointed if you needed to make one expecting that to work. It doesnt because of the babysitter phone issue.

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#2608432 22-Nov-2020 14:50

Thanks. There are so many overseas gsm networks where emergency calls don't require a sim I'm surprised there's more obvious stating the NZ position. As a naive user I'd expect the phone to be displaying what it could do based on some handshaking with any network it could find.

Edit. You would think the babysitter problem would be universal what's so special about NZ?

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#2608433 22-Nov-2020 14:52

Bung: Thanks. There are so many overseas gsm networks where emergency calls don't require a sim I'm surprised there's more obvious stating the NZ position. As a naive user I'd expect the phone to be displaying what it could do based on some handshaking with any network it could find.

@Bung it use to work and the feature was disabled

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#2608435 22-Nov-2020 15:01

MadEngineer: $20 mobile phone. Profit.

Not everyone has a mobile phone, I see your point to give them a cheap one in case of a power cut.

But there is many devices out there that use a landline for communications. Example being a medical alarm.

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#2608572 22-Nov-2020 17:22

Medical alarms have been covered here many times before and there are alternatives. If your medical alarm is POTS only it should have been disposed of years ago. Copper lines are dead.

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#2608829 23-Nov-2020 09:58

MadEngineer: Medical alarms have been covered here many times before and there are alternatives. If your medical alarm is POTS only it should have been disposed of years ago. Copper lines are dead.

For those who live in houses with no cellular coverage (and there's a lot of us), copper is still very much alive. Especially in a power failure.

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#2612233 28-Nov-2020 13:33

CCN - Public Presentation - LQ no notes (sparknz.co.nz)

Dated 2017

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