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#279916 17-Nov-2020 08:37
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Just received:

 

 

The Commerce Commission has finalised its 111 Contact Code to protect consumers who rely on their home phones to contact 111 emergency services in a power cut.

 

The code supports consumers who can no longer call 111 in a power cut because they have moved to new home phone technologies like fibre and fixed wireless. These technologies need a power supply in the home to work, meaning they will not work in a power cut, without an independent power source. 

 

“It’s clear from our consultation that many New Zealanders are unaware that new home phone technologies may not allow them to call 111 in a power cut,” Telecommunications Commissioner Tristan Gilbertson says. 

 

“Our code aims to boost awareness of this issue so that Kiwis can take steps to ensure they’re not caught short in an emergency – such as by getting a battery back-up to maintain power to their home phone or by ensuring they have access to a mobile phone at home.”

 

Under the Code, telecommunications service providers must tell new customers, and remind existing customers at least once a year, that their home phone may not work in a power cut. Providers must also tell their customers how they can protect themselves and where to go for further support.  

 

Mr Gilbertson says the Code also requires providers to take extra steps to ensure that vulnerable consumers, such as those with a known medical condition, are able to contact emergency services in a power cut, at no cost to the consumer.   

 

“What this means is that home phone customers who don’t have an alternative way to contact 111 in a power cut can apply to their provider if they are at particular risk of needing to call emergency services for health, security or disability reasons.

 

“If they qualify, their provider will work with them to determine the right product for their particular needs.”

 

The Code includes protections to ensure providers cannot deny or stop supplying home phone services to customers because they are, or will become, a vulnerable consumer under the Code. 

 

Customers can complain to the Telecommunications Disputes Resolution Service (TDRS), which provides independent resolution of consumer disputes with telecommunications providers, if their provider does not comply with the Code.

 

The Code comes into effect in February 2021, though providers have until August 2021 to make the process for extra support available to vulnerable consumers. 

 

The final code is available on our website.

 





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  #2605208 17-Nov-2020 09:08
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Have I read it correctly? it means that copper lines will continue for people in vulnerable circumstances since providers have to supply a Retail landline Service which is defined as follows;

Retail Landline Service

means a landline service provided to a consumer at a premises, and excludes:
(a) mobile services;
(b) naked broadband services; and
(c) applications that provide voice services over broadband services (such as Skype);

and

6.6 that a provider cannot deny or cease supply of a retail landline service on the basis that the provider knows or suspects a consumer is, or may become, a vulnerable consumer;
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  #2605234 17-Nov-2020 10:10
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From the TCF:

 

 

The telecommunications industry is committed to ensuring vulnerable customers can continue to access emergency services during power cuts and welcomes the publication of the Commerce Commission’s final 111 Contact Code, the NZ Telecommunications Forum (TCF) said today. 
 
TCF CEO Geoff Thorn said the Commission’s Code, published today, sets out the requirements on telecommunications companies to support their customers who are at particular risk of needing to contact emergency services, with a means of doing so if their home phone connection is impacted by a power failure. 
 
Thorn said the 111 Contact Code has been prompted by New Zealand’s transition to new home phones that use fibre or fixed wireless networks, rather than the traditional copper lines. These new technologies rely on a power supply in the home. 
 
“Millions of New Zealanders are now benefiting from vastly-improved broadband and communications services because of fibre and wireless technologies introduced as part of the industry’s $15 billion of investment over the past decade.  These new technologies usually require power in the home to work, which is why the industry supports the underlying principle of the new 111 Contact Code – to ensure those customers who are at particular risk of needing to contact emergency services can still do so in the event of a power cut.” 
 
Thorn said the majority of home phone customers would already have access to a mobile phone that should still work in a power cut.  Although the new Code also allows for battery backup devices, TCF anticipated that telecommunications companies would look, where possible, to provide a basic mobile phone to those vulnerable customers who did not already have one. 
 
Existing TCF initiatives, combined with the extensive reach of mobile phone coverage today, means that mobile phones are an excellent way to keep connected in emergencies. Under the TCF’s existing Emergency Voice Calling Services Code, a 111 call made from any mobile phone should connect to emergency services, even if the phone is not on a current account plan or has no prepaid funds, Thorn noted. 
 
Thorn said the new 111 Code had been more than 18 months in development, with the Commerce Commission undertaking extensive consultation with industry players, community groups and interested members of the public.   
 
“Now that the Code is finalised, the industry’s focus will now be on implementation prior to the deadline of 1 August 2021.  A huge amount of work is required to communicate with customers, identify those who are classified as vulnerable, and purchase and distribute back-up equipment to them.” 

 





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  #2605263 17-Nov-2020 10:38
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So the provider just has to send an email once a year, and sell them a new mobile phone+plan, i mean "work on an option", if they don't have another means of contact?.... seems like a very worthwhile thing for the Commerce Commission to put their effort in to.




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  #2605286 17-Nov-2020 11:14
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Would an UPS dedicated for the ONT work?


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  #2605287 17-Nov-2020 11:15
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I think it's more about embedding a code of practise within all service providers to not ignore the very real transitional state of this capability.

 

The new technologies do NOT cover 100% of where NZ has people (although I doubt the copper does either, but it goes a lot further than fibre), and while there are alternatives to true copper landlines, they just aren't everywhere.

 

So, this is more about stating that an RSP can't ignore the problem if a customer calls for help, and has a duty of care to ensure no one is left without coverage, in the same way electricity companies are obligated to ensure people with a medical dependance on power arent cut off.

 

 





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  #2605383 17-Nov-2020 13:00
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Spirax:

 

Would an UPS dedicated for the ONT work?

 

 

Can't answer your query in relation to the code or TCF... however PB Tech have a couple of UPS's specifically to power the ONT for ~150 minutes in a blackout:

 

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/UPSPSD1100/PowerShield-PSDCMIN1218-Mini-UPS-12VDC-1Amp-18Watt

 

I note on the Chorus site recently it said using any other form of power supply for their ONT may void the warranty (subtext potentially expose you to costs of replacement).  Yet they don't appear to offer any UPS solutions of their own?


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  #2605608 17-Nov-2020 16:53
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Groucho:

 

Spirax:

 

Would an UPS dedicated for the ONT work?

 

 

Can't answer your query in relation to the code or TCF... however PB Tech have a couple of UPS's specifically to power the ONT for ~150 minutes in a blackout:

 

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/UPSPSD1100/PowerShield-PSDCMIN1218-Mini-UPS-12VDC-1Amp-18Watt

 

I note on the Chorus site recently it said using any other form of power supply for their ONT may void the warranty (subtext potentially expose you to costs of replacement).  Yet they don't appear to offer any UPS solutions of their own?

 

 

Even back in the days of Telecom installing battery-powered analog 1+1 systems; they hated it because the subscribers (customers) would expect Telecom to maintain the battery.

 

Same thing will happen today - IF Chorus goes down the path of providing a UPS for the purposes above, you can be assured that they will be blamed when the battery goes flat, even if it is the customer who accidentally turns off the 230V.


 
 
 

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  #2605642 17-Nov-2020 19:02
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$20 mobile phone. Profit.




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  #2605643 17-Nov-2020 19:11
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chevrolux:

 

So the provider just has to send an email once a year, and sell them a new mobile phone+plan, i mean "work on an option", if they don't have another means of contact?.... seems like a very worthwhile thing for the Commerce Commission to put their effort in to.

 

 

 

 

The RSP does not even need to provide them a SIM or a plan - they just need to provide a basic mobile phone as any (as long as it supports the networks) phone when an emergency call is placed will register to one of the networks and make the call. RSP's must be celebrating this outcome, will certainly stop anyone trying to get a free mobile plan out of it! 

 

Also I don't think many people realised the short amount of time that landlines stay up these days in a power-cut, most of the modern cabinets which now feed voice from the ISAM only stay up around 4 hours in a powercut. Voda's HFC network performs pretty poorly in a power cut too. 


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  #2605895 18-Nov-2020 10:32
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The interesting thing to me is that if you've already given up your "retail landline service" (ie copper) then any application to become a "vulnerable consumer" can be declined.

 

19. For the purposes of clause 18.2, a provider is only permitted to decline a consumer’s
application on one or more of the following grounds:

 

19.1 the consumer who is the subject of the application is not a consumer of a
retail landline service;


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  #2608112 21-Nov-2020 20:56
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MadEngineer: $20 mobile phone. Profit.

 

 

Recently an elderly relative took a spill. They'd only the week before, replaced their cellphone.

 

In their injured and disoriented state they weren't able to use their phone to call anyone other than their single emergency contact, who foretunately triggered a call to ambulance (etc) for them.

 

 

Change has to be introduced slowly. The simple act of being able to dial 111 from a device that's always in the same place, in a way that's been a habit for life, is reassuring and something to fall back on when the brain leaves and the cabbage emerges (as tends to happen when one is put into an unfamiliar, high-stress situation).

 

 

My mother has a landline (well, cordless) which is actually a cellphone underneath (base station has a sim card. Phone has a 7-digit POTS number). That's a good compromise for everything but the power issue of course, but at least it gave her an interface she was familiar with.




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  #2608124 21-Nov-2020 21:31
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Groucho:

 

Spirax:

 

Would an UPS dedicated for the ONT work?

 

 

Can't answer your query in relation to the code or TCF... however PB Tech have a couple of UPS's specifically to power the ONT for ~150 minutes in a blackout:

 

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/UPSPSD1100/PowerShield-PSDCMIN1218-Mini-UPS-12VDC-1Amp-18Watt

 

I note on the Chorus site recently it said using any other form of power supply for their ONT may void the warranty (subtext potentially expose you to costs of replacement).  Yet they don't appear to offer any UPS solutions of their own?

 

 

does that factor in the modem too?

 

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pchs:

 

chevrolux:

 

So the provider just has to send an email once a year, and sell them a new mobile phone+plan, i mean "work on an option", if they don't have another means of contact?.... seems like a very worthwhile thing for the Commerce Commission to put their effort in to.

 

 

 

 

The RSP does not even need to provide them a SIM or a plan - they just need to provide a basic mobile phone as any (as long as it supports the networks) phone when an emergency call is placed will register to one of the networks and make the call. RSP's must be celebrating this outcome, will certainly stop anyone trying to get a free mobile plan out of it! 

 

Also I don't think many people realised the short amount of time that landlines stay up these days in a power-cut, most of the modern cabinets which now feed voice from the ISAM only stay up around 4 hours in a powercut. Voda's HFC network performs pretty poorly in a power cut too. 

 

 

I think you will find in NZ an active SIM card will be required to make a 111 call. 


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  #2608351 22-Nov-2020 12:11
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Not sure about needing a SIM for emergency calls?

 

Just tried old Vodafone Android phone with no SIM fitted and it advised that there was no SIM fitted and "Emergency Calls Only".


  #2608413 22-Nov-2020 13:23
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k1w1k1d:

 

Not sure about needing a SIM for emergency calls?

 

Just tried old Vodafone Android phone with no SIM fitted and it advised that there was no SIM fitted and "Emergency Calls Only".

 

 

Same result here, phone has never been connected to a network, its just for the kids to play with


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