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#458755 14-Apr-2011 14:33

Check out David Parker here: http://inthehouse.co.nz/node/8367

He has some interesting comments on the length of copyright. It is a little annoying that there are members of Parliament shouting at him for a lot of the speech.

Surely heckling is for standup comedy only. I suppose watching these clowns is a little funny.

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#458758 14-Apr-2011 14:43

kyhwana2: Life of the author + 50 years. The US is/has extended that to +70 years.

Wow, you learn something new every day. For movies it's 50 years after initial public release, but I didn't know that it was different for books.

This means some of my "legal" ebooks are actually illegal after all :(

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#458762 14-Apr-2011 15:00

Well I guess we don't need the national fiber rollout any more.

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#458763 14-Apr-2011 15:02

timmmay: Well I guess we don't need the national fiber rollout any more.

Are you suggesting the high data usage in NZ is supporting the framework and backbone of the NZ internet - so everyone benefits.

Procrastination eventually pays off.

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#458785 14-Apr-2011 15:49

StarBlazer:

Have you never seen on the back of CD's etc;

"unauthorised copying, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcasting prohibited" as part of the copyright notice?

They can write what they want, but it's not enforceable. It's just hot air. It also says in some books that they cannot be loaned. Libraries would be in trouble if that were the case.

EDIT: I'm not sure about limitations on DVD rental, so I removed reference to video rental stores.

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#458811 14-Apr-2011 16:26

grolschie:
StarBlazer:

Have you never seen on the back of CD's etc;

"unauthorised copying, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcasting prohibited" as part of the copyright notice?

They can write what they want, but it's not enforceable. It's just hot air. It also says in some books that they cannot be loaned. Libraries would be in trouble if that were the case.

EDIT: I'm not sure about limitations on DVD rental, so I removed reference to video rental stores.

Libraries and DVD rental stores pay a licence to lend/rent out the books and DVDs (and games) etc. I know in the UK the DVD you get from the DVD store is different to the DVD you can get from a shop.

It is enforceable - they probably can't be bothered. Apathy on both sides is what will make this a white elephant of a law.

Procrastination eventually pays off.

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#458816 14-Apr-2011 16:30

Show me where it is illegal to lend a book or dvd that has this message please? What law covers this? It's not covered by copyright law, because it doesn't involve reproducing the work.

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#458821 14-Apr-2011 16:41

once a tv show has aired in the tv radio waves and been captured anywhere I find it hard to believe they still claim copyright

dvr recording is recording the air waves its not like you duplicating a DVD

(then a p2p-er would uploaded the dvr to the web .. far lending of the material :)

is comparing pears with lemons.

unlike comparing lemmings with MPs which amounts the same thing :)

they tried this in denmark but the people rose up and throw the mps out of the house
in the end they passed it so it was legal to make a backup recording of any cd and dvd
for personal use..

they also have the best internet speeds and unlimited data in the world... they set the example to the rest of us

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#458822 14-Apr-2011 16:42

The InternetNZ views on the process: http://internetnz.net.nz/news/blog/2011/Dented-democracy

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#458826 14-Apr-2011 16:48

kiwigeek1: once a tv show has aired in the tv radio waves and been captured anywhere I find it hard to believe they still claim copyright

dvr recording is recording the air waves its not like you duplicating a DVD

(then a p2p-er would uploaded the dvr to the web .. far lending of the material :)

is comparing pears with lemons.

unlike comparing lemmings with MPs which amounts the same thing :)

they tried this in denmark but the people rose up and throw the mps out of the house
in the end they passed it so it was legal to make a backup recording of any cd and dvd
for personal use..

they also have the best internet speeds and unlimited data in the world... they set the example to the rest of us

Sorry folks but someone not involved in technology looked at some of the comments here and told me "of course these people are complaining. They all benefit from infringing copyright".

And that person seems to be correct.

It is important to note that we should be working together to protect intellectual rights. People who produce work of art need must be rewarded by their creativity.

Is there disagreement on how large corporations do this? Yes. But that's not what should be debated here.

The law sets a precedent in which a copyright owner can provide a notice of infringement and by default that will be accepted as correct, truthfull and evidence of wrong doing.

This is the opposite of what we accept as due process where there's an accusation, evidence is supplied and a guilty verdict is imposed.

The law assume the accused is guilty.

This is against the due process as we know it.

I don't really have any interest to know that the program you like most on TV is not available from TV One, therefore it's your $deity given right to download it from the Internet.

This is the wrong approach and you all will get nowhere with it.

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#458832 14-Apr-2011 16:54

2Degrees should make some really high usage packs, so pirates can use those. The bill says the suspention of internet doesnt apply to mobile internet connections until 2013 or something because of the high cost of data. Plus, dont register the sim card when you get it, and only use prepay, so you stay annonymous. Win win

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#458835 14-Apr-2011 16:57

freitasm:
This is the wrong approach and you all will get nowhere with it.

This is why we're all changing our Twitter avatars. We're really sticking it to the man where it hurts!

Audiophiles are such twits! They buy such pointless stuff: Gold plated cables, $2000 power cords. Idiots.

OOOHHHH HYPERFIBRE!

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#458838 14-Apr-2011 16:58

thats another thing... might generate a new undergroun market for stolen t stick and vodem cards...

how many school kids now have iphones with data plans?

easily could steal from bags at school and use them for illegal downloading of stuff

wheres theres a law for one thing opens up another can of worms

domino affect..

not to meantion hacked pcs and wireless

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#458840 14-Apr-2011 16:59

tardtasticx: 2Degrees should make some really high usage packs, so pirates can use those. The bill says the suspention of internet doesnt apply to mobile internet connections until 2013 or something because of the high cost of data.

Why would you use expensive mobile BB to d/l video content ? - all that trouble and you would spend almost as much for the mobile BB as you would for the real shiny disc thing !

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#458842 14-Apr-2011 17:05

no one is complaining.. the law wont affect me :)

just pointing out how stupid it all is and pointless.. just some people cant see it

its about sensible laws verse lame laws

seems more lack of education cos people dont watch the good stuff on p2p you wont see on tv as they said on hungry beast.. just have to look at youtube to see almost everyone breaks the copyright and uses bits of video or music to make their own funnies..
grab it watch it.. learn

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