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Topic # 165633 15-Feb-2015 23:20
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  Reply # 1239646 16-Feb-2015 00:42
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At the end of the day in regards to the TPP, we have elected a parliament who will vote on this and have to trust their judgement. I hate all of the second guessing there is to a government - imagine if you did that every time your boss made a decision, it would be a pretty dysfunctional workplace... If its not good for NZ then they should either renegotiate it or leave it and it sounds like they are pushing back anyway.





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  Reply # 1239662 16-Feb-2015 07:21
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Trust the government! Yeah Right.

If you like the idea of the elect few making decisions for the rest of us, be delighted, if you think this pseudo religious structure governing from the principle of supporting the "greed is good" mantra, then get on you knees and pray Key has the intellect to reject the US as a basis of a model Democratic system.  




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  Reply # 1239671 16-Feb-2015 07:58
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Trust the government? This government? Sky city deal, which even right wing bloggers have labeled as the closest thing to corruption we've really seen in New Zealand, the continual cronyism, the relationship to Cameron Slater... Cannot fathom that view point.




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  Reply # 1239681 16-Feb-2015 08:09
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Zeon: At the end of the day in regards to the TPP, we have elected a parliament who will vote on this and have to trust their judgement. I hate all of the second guessing there is to a government - imagine if you did that every time your boss made a decision, it would be a pretty dysfunctional workplace... If its not good for NZ then they should either renegotiate it or leave it and it sounds like they are pushing back anyway.


The first difference between the government and the workplace is that if you really disagree with your boss, it's relatively straightforward to get a new job. It's much less straightforward if you disagree with what the government agrees on your behalf. You not only have to get a new job, you have to leave the country. The other difference is that your job isn't a democracy: when you take the job, you agree to do whatever your boss tells you to do, whether you like it or not.

The government, on the other hand, is answerable to the people. How can they be answerable to the people if the people don't know what they're doing? If we sign up to a TPPA negotiated in secret, and then find out the next day it's a death trap that we should never have signed up to, well ... it's way too late at that point, because we are bound by treaty. I think I have every right to know, up front, if my government is going to pass a law that turns me into a criminal in jeopardy of jail time.

There's only one reason why treaties are negotiated in secret: to keep them secret from the ordinary people. I don't mean to suggest that our diplomats should talk about it on a stage in front of a live audience, but regular drafts of the agreement absolutely should be published as they are updated. The argument that this will give away New Zealand's position is a red herring. If we want other countries to agree to our advantage, we have to put words to paper. Since everyone else is going to sign that piece of paper, there's nothing secret about it. It's not like they staple a blank page to the end of a document and blindfold everyone while they're signing it.

And besides, if it really is such a great deal for New Zealand, then won't we all agree? So why not put all doubts to rest?




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  Reply # 1239683 16-Feb-2015 08:28
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Zeon: At the end of the day in regards to the TPP, we have elected a parliament who will vote on this and have to trust their judgement. I hate all of the second guessing there is to a government - imagine if you did that every time your boss made a decision, it would be a pretty dysfunctional workplace... If its not good for NZ then they should either renegotiate it or leave it and it sounds like they are pushing back anyway.


Like with trying to give sky city the extra cash? 

If people had not have said no then govt would have gone and handed out another 100 million to sky city. 

On the basis of your logic we should not have argued against that. 

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